This is one of them,
Anonymous30 September 2015 at 13:05
Orang Perlis.
kenapa "makin ramai lari dari SJK ke SRJK":
Selagi takda bukti yang sah (verifiable data e.g dari Kementerian Pelajaran) menujukkan ramai, di anggap sikit saja yang lari ke SRJK. Memang banyak propaganda di buat mereka penganut DAP mengatakan ramai.
Bergaduh besar Presiden Dong Zong, administrator of Chinese schools, dengan pihak pihak yang nak gulingkan dia dari jawatan yang dia nak ppegang sampai mati nampak nya. Yap Tien Sin - dia gunakan 2 PhD tipu (DUA bukan satu), di beli melalui Internet, mana nak katakan sekolah di bawah pimpinan orang camtu bagus? Heboh kes PhD tipu dia di akhbar akhbar di masa himpunan penganut penganut sekolah Cina di Kajang lebih kurang masa Wan Jijah tanding PRK Kajang dulu.
Demikian banyak hate propaganda dek ultra kiasu ungrateful ingrate DAP dan sekutu nya terhadap SK, bagi mendapatkan rammai hijrah ke SRJK, engan tujuan menguatkan desakan mereka supaya gomen akui UEC, sitifiket yang depa keluorkan
contoh nya mengata - si Najib dah kasi "limited recognition", menyinga peminat peminat Sistem Sekolah Satu Aloran.
Antara hate propaganda yang depa keluorkan:
1. Guru guru SK depa kata di sana sini tak bagus pada umum nya
2. SK ada usaha nak mengIslamkan murid murid bukan Melayu, sehingga baca do'a untuk mendapat keputusan baik bagi yang masuk periksa pun di kata usaha mengIslamkan
3. Mengkorban lembu di sabelah sekolah di Hari Raya Haji di eksploitasi sebagai nak menghina murid murid Hindu
4. Kantin di tutup untuk ubah suai di bulan puasa, kantin sementara "dekat bilik air" (bukan "tepi" bilik air) di Sg Buluh pun di kata menghina murid murid bukan Islam
5. Apa saja yang boleh di ungkit menunjukkan SK tak bagus, di buat mereka. Emak bapak "swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker"
Malays running to SRJK? Ini ha nya segelintir saja. Ada Melayu yang dapat penyakit low self esteem berkenaan anak mereka, memikir ROTE system (menghafal, mengulang sebut ikut guru kata di kelas) boleh membikin anak mereka lebih pandai dari di SK.
Ada yang menyesal - seorang emak hantar anak lelaki ke SK, anak pompuan ke SRJK. 2 tahun lalu anak lelaki dapat 5A masuk IPTA, anak pompuan tahun lalu dapat 3A, tak dapat masuk IPTA, dapat masuk ha nya universiti sengkek.
Bagus apekebende nya SRJK?
kenapa "makin ramai lari dari SJK ke SRJK":
Selagi takda bukti yang sah (verifiable data e.g dari Kementerian Pelajaran) menujukkan ramai, di anggap sikit saja yang lari ke SRJK. Memang banyak propaganda di buat mereka penganut DAP mengatakan ramai.
Bergaduh besar Presiden Dong Zong, administrator of Chinese schools, dengan pihak pihak yang nak gulingkan dia dari jawatan yang dia nak ppegang sampai mati nampak nya. Yap Tien Sin - dia gunakan 2 PhD tipu (DUA bukan satu), di beli melalui Internet, mana nak katakan sekolah di bawah pimpinan orang camtu bagus? Heboh kes PhD tipu dia di akhbar akhbar di masa himpunan penganut penganut sekolah Cina di Kajang lebih kurang masa Wan Jijah tanding PRK Kajang dulu.
Demikian banyak hate propaganda dek ultra kiasu ungrateful ingrate DAP dan sekutu nya terhadap SK, bagi mendapatkan rammai hijrah ke SRJK, engan tujuan menguatkan desakan mereka supaya gomen akui UEC, sitifiket yang depa keluorkan
contoh nya mengata - si Najib dah kasi "limited recognition", menyinga peminat peminat Sistem Sekolah Satu Aloran.
Antara hate propaganda yang depa keluorkan:
1. Guru guru SK depa kata di sana sini tak bagus pada umum nya
2. SK ada usaha nak mengIslamkan murid murid bukan Melayu, sehingga baca do'a untuk mendapat keputusan baik bagi yang masuk periksa pun di kata usaha mengIslamkan
3. Mengkorban lembu di sabelah sekolah di Hari Raya Haji di eksploitasi sebagai nak menghina murid murid Hindu
4. Kantin di tutup untuk ubah suai di bulan puasa, kantin sementara "dekat bilik air" (bukan "tepi" bilik air) di Sg Buluh pun di kata menghina murid murid bukan Islam
5. Apa saja yang boleh di ungkit menunjukkan SK tak bagus, di buat mereka. Emak bapak "swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker"
Malays running to SRJK? Ini ha nya segelintir saja. Ada Melayu yang dapat penyakit low self esteem berkenaan anak mereka, memikir ROTE system (menghafal, mengulang sebut ikut guru kata di kelas) boleh membikin anak mereka lebih pandai dari di SK.
Ada yang menyesal - seorang emak hantar anak lelaki ke SK, anak pompuan ke SRJK. 2 tahun lalu anak lelaki dapat 5A masuk IPTA, anak pompuan tahun lalu dapat 3A, tak dapat masuk IPTA, dapat masuk ha nya universiti sengkek.
Bagus apekebende nya SRJK?
Boss, baca betul2
ada saya cakap SRJK pun bagus ( anak2 saya pun dalam SJK kan )?
Sampai menuduh Melayu low self esteem pulak kalau hantar ke SRJK..suka hati depa la...yg saya kenai yg hantaq anak pi SRJK takdak masalah self esteem lah..
facts & figures? oh itu saya takde la...BUT...this view is based on at least 5 schools yg dulu saya usha2 dulu sebelum nak decide nak hantar anak2 pergi sekolah mana....semua di kawasan Kuala Lumpur...
Sekolah anak saya pun byk masalah..tapi kami mak bapak work together with the cikgu to make it better...
pasaia apa saya cakap mcm nie?
regardless whether SRJK or SK...the core system of our education tunggang terbalik...
Muhyiddin ...apa dia buat yg significant? bagi Cikgu2 marah ada la... ( cuba tanya cikgu2 betui2)
Satu aliran ka...beberapa aliran ka...AS LONG our education structure tak menentu....it wont make any difference....
Hangpa nak cakap apa suka hati lah..but to me...SK...should be a separation of state and religion...malas nak cerita panjang2 lah apa jadik kat sekolah anak saya...
kalau betui nak incorporate 100% Islamic method..masuk sekolah agama private..
ada saya cakap SRJK pun bagus ( anak2 saya pun dalam SJK kan )?
Sampai menuduh Melayu low self esteem pulak kalau hantar ke SRJK..suka hati depa la...yg saya kenai yg hantaq anak pi SRJK takdak masalah self esteem lah..
facts & figures? oh itu saya takde la...BUT...this view is based on at least 5 schools yg dulu saya usha2 dulu sebelum nak decide nak hantar anak2 pergi sekolah mana....semua di kawasan Kuala Lumpur...
Sekolah anak saya pun byk masalah..tapi kami mak bapak work together with the cikgu to make it better...
pasaia apa saya cakap mcm nie?
regardless whether SRJK or SK...the core system of our education tunggang terbalik...
Muhyiddin ...apa dia buat yg significant? bagi Cikgu2 marah ada la... ( cuba tanya cikgu2 betui2)
Satu aliran ka...beberapa aliran ka...AS LONG our education structure tak menentu....it wont make any difference....
Hangpa nak cakap apa suka hati lah..but to me...SK...should be a separation of state and religion...malas nak cerita panjang2 lah apa jadik kat sekolah anak saya...
kalau betui nak incorporate 100% Islamic method..masuk sekolah agama private..
The whole debate is actually a waste of time and energy.
The Chinese schools are here to stay.
The Barisan Nasional government has pledged not to close down the Chinese schools or convert them to any other type of schools.
I was personally present when former education minister TS Muhyiddin Yassin, who was then also the deputy prime minister made the pledge to a group of Chinese community leaders during campaigning for the Sungai Limau by-election in November, 2013.
That was just months after the Chinese tsunami of the last general election.
It was not the first time Muhyiddin, who is still now the deputy Umno president made such a pledge.
PM DS Najib Razak also repeatedly made similar pledge, especially in the run-up to the last general election.
The opposition parties were also promising the Chinese community the same.
In fact, they even went around telling the Chinese that the BN government was discriminating the Chinese schools.
It was one of their main selling points in the 2013 general election.
So, even if you replace the current government, you will not be able to change the current status quo of our multiple education systems.
That's why I'm of the opinion that all the huffing and puffing over the matter was such a waste of time and energy.
Anyway, have you all ever wondered why despite the existence of the Chinese schools in the country, we are still relatively at peace with one another?
Bear in mind that Bosnia, Sri Lanka, and other countries which tore themselves apart because of racial and religious differences of their people didn't have multiple school systems.
A single school system doesn't guarantee everyone will love each other very much, okay.
All those Arab countries which are now embroiled in civil strife and horrific blood letting also didn't have multiple school systems.
Maybe race relations could be better in this country, but so far, we are not yet at the level of hating each other so much that we are willing to kill one another.
Do they teach the Chinese kids to hate the Malays in such schools?
I don't think so.
Most of the Chinese schools, especially the independent ones have been around longer than the national schools.
They were set up by the Chinese migrants when they settled in this country over 100 years ago.
The schools are part of their heritage.
My mother is a product of the Chinese education system.
She studied in a Chinese school since standard one all the way until she graduated from a university in Taiwan.
It's true that she didn't mix much with Malays until she met my father.
But she never hate the Malays or even look down on them.
I did ask her once what she thought of the Malays before she met my father, who is actually her first true Malay friend.
"I don't really have any opinion of the Malays at that time. They are just a different kind of people than us Chinese. I definitely didn't hate them," she said.
For me, it doesn't matter which type or types of schools we have as long as the end results are good.
It's the good values promoted by the schools that matter.
Maybe our educationists from the different types of school systems should sit together and come out with workable ideas on how to bridge the interaction gap between their students.
I think that's a better idea than all these wasteful debate on whether to abolish the Chinese education system.
Another solution is for all politicians to stop exploiting racial sentiments to further their ambitions....but then again, that's asking too much, isn't it?
Not calling for "abolition", Annie. Asking for "Di serapkan ke dlm sistem Sekolah Kebangsaan." Gunakan BM sebagai bahasa pengantar, same curriculum and syllabus as SK. Mandarin and Tamil can be taught as elective subjects.
ReplyDeleteRemember, vernacular schools are not consistent with, even contradicting Article 152 of the Constiitution which says that "mother tongue may be used only for other than official purposes." And schools are the official purpose of any country.
You are of course entitled to your opinion on the matter. Especially as this your blog. But hope you would be liberal enough to allow discussion on the matter. And I suppose your putting this subject as a blog post indicates that.
ReplyDeleteMany would disgree with you that it's a waste of time and energy. That you put it as a blog post suggests that it's not and is debatable. That should be the case.
Yes, for now the vernacular schools are here to stay. But it must be noted that what was not right even for 100 years does not mean that it may be allowed forever. It's simply contradicting the Constitution Article 152 and must be set right some time in the future.
Yes, Tengku A Rahman was over-generous - citizenship right at Merdeka, dispensed language tests for the issue of citizenship certificate after Merdeka. The Malays wre over-generaous, said Tun Tan Siew Sin in Parliament in 1968, and the MIC President also thanked the Malays on the same occasion.
ReplyDeleteSure TAR would not do anything on the issue of vernacular schools despite the fact that the Constitution was adopted as the supreme law of the land at Merdeka. And vernacular schools were not in line with Article 152 of the Constitution.
But was he right? No. He was being politically expedient. He was called Bapa Malaysia and all. Even DAP loves him to this day. Let it be. He is no longer around.
But the issue of vernacular schools must be kept alive because of its position vis a vis the Constitution. The alternative is to amend the Constitution Article 152. But it's one of the sensitive clauses of the Constitution and protected by the Sedition Act.
Nobody is on the street shouting and demanding that the issue be settled to morrow or the next day. Not prudent to do so under current political conditions - yes, wasting time to be demo on the streets on it now. But it is not a waste of time to periodically discuss it to remind all the citizens that we have an inconsistent situation that needs be tackled at an opportune time.
When will it be opportune? That's the sort of things that can be discussed now.
I wonder if it is generally known that in 1957, Malay and Chinese respectively formed 35 and 55% of the population of Malaya including Singapore?
Delete2352,
DeleteMany know about the "55% Malay and the 35% Chinese", especially those interested in the history of this country.
Even the British Colonial Masters have said, when persuading the Malay Rulers and others to agree to the proposal of giving citizenship to the non-Malays, that many Chinese would leave the country after Merdeka, anyway.
Lack of trust for the country ruled by locals since the British were leaving leaving upon Merdeka. Yes, the % of Chinese went down to as low as 23%.
Hi Annie,
ReplyDelete"kecuali lagi"
dari jauh saya rasa seperti mahu pitam...
Sekiranya itulah pendirian cina, maka betullah apa yang orang Peranchis lantangkan mengenai sifat dan sikap benak orangnya cina yaitu penilaian mereka terhadap cina adalah " dengan berbuat demikian seperti tidak mahu berlajar bahasa Peranchis sefasihnya juga begitu liat untuk bercampur gaul sesama semua dengan suku kaum yang lainnya maka terbukti jelas mereka mengamalkan gaya hidup buat selamba dan kuat berahsia yang bermaksud jenis species kongsi gelap..., dimana tetiba beratus kedai perniagaan atau restaurant atau rumah haram tumbuh dalam sehari !"
Kasi muka sangat, sekarang nasi dah jadi PORRIDGE !!!
à plus.
TK memberi tahu pandangan orang Peranchis di atas Cina yg juga tak mahu berlajar bahasa Peranchis dan liat bercampur gaul dgn suku kaum lain.
DeleteIni ada kaitan dgn so'alan Annie: ".. have you all ever wondered why despite the existence of the Chinese schools in the country, we are still relatively at peace with one another?"
Peace is relative. Peace is a general term. Tension is a more specific term. Surely everybody, except the dung ho, realizes that there has been tension periodically in this country. Like during Bersih 4, Baju Merah, after stupid Chinese Ambassador saying seditious things in Petaling Street.
It's a long established fact that those in SRJKC and SJKC hardly mix with other than their own kind in and out of school. Like that, how to get any mutual understanding of one another's background, customs and traditions and way of life. It ends up with Teresa Kok even complaining the azan call to prayers.
And when Teresa did that, do you know how many made rude comments on and with her name, making obscene gestures and all? Many, I assure you. Then racial slurs etc. Then tension. Is that peace? No. It's tension that can break the peace. Relative peace, that is.
We need a unified national educational system Annie. Purely vernacular schools are not feasible for the long term national solidarity and cultural integrity of our people.
ReplyDeleteThe racially-textured events happening today in front of our eyes are the direct outcome of segregated linguistic schooling systems.
We need however, to attend to the requirements of Malaysia's pluralistic society, namely the Chinese and Indian linguistic communities. We need to have "Unity in Diversity". We need a common core curriculum in a single National type public school - let's debate the type and number of subjects. And then we must give a liberal hand to the special linguistic educators to integrate their additional Chinese or Indian or Malay school subjects into their particular requirements.
A Chinese friend of mine graduated from one such type of school in Cheras. Now in his late 20's he is bright and confident and communicates effectively in Malay, Chinese and English. He told me that his school curriculum was like any other in the Sekolah Kebangsaan system but with the addition of "Chinese language" and "Chinese Civilization" subjects. My friend has been a sales manager at Prudential Insurance for several years; he is also an exponent of wushu martial arts.
My point is this: Only an integrated national school system is viable for sustained national consciousness and a coherent social discourse. Our kids don't deserve anything less. And I would like to suggest that the teaching of Science and Maths in English (with dual lingual textbooks) will boost Malaysian children's learning experience to keep abreast with the advanced scientific communities of the world.
And in so far as religions like Islam and Buddhism are concerned so much quality religious literature abounds in the English language.
Note also that most of the advanced science degrees around the world - no matter which country - are submitted in the English language
Thank you all for considering the viewpoint I have submitted.
Presently, the national education is of poor quality.
DeleteOn top of that, exam grades are often the result of marks manipulation. For example, if you want more As, just lower the marks accordingly. There is talk that the passing mark for SPM additional maths is less than 20%.
PAGE has said it time and again. Even Tan Sri Muhyiddin, when he was still education minister, admitted it.
On the other hand, basically for Malays only, there are the Sekolah Berasrama Penuh and Maktab Rendah Sains MARA. What do you think should be done about them for better racial integration. Perhaps they should go the way of vernacular schools?
Presently, 13% of vernacular school pupils are non Chinese, whilst 10% of national school pupils are Chinese.
One thing that most parents of pupils of vernacular schools notice is that the teachers are generally more dedicated, and the pupils are encouraged to develop world views.
0026,
DeletePoor quality? That's your opinion. Many others think differently. I think it has weaknesses. Need to be improved. Those are the safest words to use. Nobody can be faulted for saying those.
Talk that the passing mark for SPM additional maths is less than 20%. Unless proven true, it remains "just talk".
Even Tan Sri Muhyiddin admitted it? Adjusting the passing mark? Or the 20? Can you provide the link to his statement?
MRSM and fully residential schools? They are not using Mandarin or Tamil as media of instruction. Besides, they mix with their SK friends when on holidays.
13% non-Chinese in vernacular schools whose total are small are still much less than the 10% of SKs are Chinese.
Good that vernacular schools are generally more dedicated (subject to definition, though), and encourage the pupils to develop world views. Still, the issue is Mandarin and BM.
00.26
DeleteHow do you come to the conclusion that teachers in vernacular schools are more dedicated?
Any empirical studies or research done to back up your claim?
You shouldn't make general and sweeping statements and allegations in making your claims. That is slanderous.
Of course, "just months after the Chinese tsunami of the last general election", UMNO/BN will say nice things, Najib even continued to give assistance to Chinese schools to get votes.
ReplyDeleteYet UMNO/BN performance at PRK Kajang, Rompin and Permatang Pauh did not indicate the Chinese bothered about Najib's friendly gestures.
Of course, DAP etc went around telling the Chinese that the BN government was discriminating the Chinese schools. Despite Najib's assistance.
Najib also has been "over-generous", like Tengku A Rahman. Clear case in point: He promised the town's people of Rasah assistance to repair the Chinese school there if they win PRK Hulu Selangor. The votes in the ballot box of the people there clearly showed they voted the Opposition. Yet the ultra kiasus asked him for the assistance for the Chinese school after the PRK. Najib was reported to have signed a cheque for RM1-2 million for those cakap tak serupa bikin fellas.
But many UMNO people have realized the folly of all those. The time will come for the emergence of a strong, courageous leader leading UMNO. Then there will be hope for action. Meanwhile, keep the issue alive. Don't let people think that Article 152 has disappeared from the Constitution.
Sudah lah annie.. cari hujah kiri kanan atas dan bawah nak pertahan sekolah cina..org cina ni bernasib baik di negara ini di sbbkan umno yg memerintah!!.. pasal ape umno memerintah?.. pasal sokongan org melayu!!.. kebudayaan cina ini hidup di tanah melayu sbb orang melayu bangsa tak kesah..tapi makin lama makin lorat pulak!!
ReplyDeleteAnnie..ape yg ko nak bangga kawan cina ko fasih cakap melayu??!.. memang sepatutnya semua rakyat tanah melayu fasih cakap melayu!!.. sudah nak masuk 2016, sekolah pelbagai aliran da tak relevan..Muhyidin da janji??!!.. so what??!!.. dia pun da belayar...
Ko pasti ke org cine bernasib baik sebab umno memerintah? Kalo PKR ke, DAP ke, PAP ke memerintah, org cine nasib baik juga, mngkn lg nasib baik. So, siapa memerintah same juga.
DeleteKo yg ckp eh semua org kat tanah melayu kene fasih ckp melayu, mcm gitu kalo aku dok kat sabah dan sarawak xperlu lah kan, sbb tu tanah dayak, ermmmm...org melayu pendatang yg menumpang kat sarawak fasih bahasa dayak ke x eh...mmm
NI TANAH ALLAH!!!
21.14
DeleteNak menunjuk ko tu lebai sangat la kan.
Ko pergi ke Ostalia atau UK atau USA atau pun ke negera China dan katakan tu tanah Allah dan ko nak gunakan bahasa ko sendiri. Kita tengok apa yang jadi pada ko.
Anno 23:51
DeleteNegara yg disebut oleh kamu semuanya bukan negara Islam dan majoriti bukan Islam. Sebagai seorang Muslim, perlulah ikut ajaran Islam. Betul ke tidak? Yang diajar dalam Islam adalah, bumi dicipta Allah dan manusia juga dicipta NYA. So sebagai seorang Muslim, perlulah terima.
09.21
DeleteKo sorang jer yang betul kan, kan, kan.?
Txs for yr views. I agree with many of them. Will drop in another time to say more. Important, interesting subject.
ReplyDeleteThe comment at 20:16 was meant for the comment at 19:44.
DeleteThey don't hate Malays but they cannot integrate. They cannot even speak BM. We need to be, like Indonesia and Thailand. With due respect to your mother, but there are some who are ultra Chinese, just like there are ultra Malays and ultra Indians.
ReplyDeleteAnon 2055 again. I meant to say some cannot even speak BM.
ReplyDeleteKlu dh mulakn ckp org melayu mcm2..ckp sial la..puaka la..rasis la..sape yg x marah..nak marah psl 2.6b ke 1mdb ke xpe la..tpi x pyh nk ckp org melayu ni bodo la bugis jahanam la..tektik2 penyokong dap yg suka provoke..x bole la salahkn org kalau marah n ungkit psl sekolah cina pulak..
ReplyDelete
ReplyDeleteSelagi ada bulan dan matahari ,sekolah Cina (vernacular education) tidak akan ditutup ,dan selagi itulah masaalah kaum tidak akan selesai .
Orang Iban dan Khadazan pon ada hak untuk menuntut sekolah aliran bahasa ibunda mereka ,mereka adalah bumiputra.
The reason we had relative peace is because we tolerate the Melayu for the last 50 odd years. Yes, we tolerate them, not the other way around.
ReplyDeleteWe have been called all sorts of names and we are really immuned to it now.
So all the commentors can go fuck themselves. You can say all you want but 7 million of us ain't going anywhere.
Not happy?
What the fuck you gonna do?
Take away our citizenship and drive all 7 million china bukit to the South China Sea?
Yeah right.
Do that and you will have to deal with the big brother up north. Nothing makes me happier than to see the aircraft carrier with red flag docking at Port Klang.
I for one am going to stop cooperating, stop being friendly, stop taking shit from Melayu, go to rally and protest non-violent, and do whatever fuck that is WITHIN THE LAW to piss you chibai off.
And there is absolutely nothing you fucktards can do about it.
Here's my middle finger. Na.
Rasis n mmg mulut jahat penyokong2 dap ni
DeleteYou think China gives a fook about all the cinapek here? You all ran away and abandoned Communism in place of Western-leaning capitalism.
DeleteGo lah. Nobody bothers. Take your bags and also all your gambling money with you.
See Annie
DeleteIt is dummkopfs like 21.57 that gives you orang Cina the bad reputation.
With the f-word in every other sentence, you become aware of his lowly up-bringing and lack of education. You can see this type of cretin wherever the Chinese congregates. The type of person who talks loudly, spits indiscriminately and of course, always cursing and swearing.
See his thuggish nature "..... happy to see the aircraft carrier... " As if geopolitics and realpolitik are that simple.
".... stop cooperating, ......stop being friendly..." How could he? He never did in the first place.
So, up yours 21.57.
Cool it, man.
DeleteYou use too many vulgar words.
21:57 is the kind of person who needs to be explained to. About the history of this country, the Constitution, the rights and obligations of ALL citizens and the whole rigmarole of being a loyal citizen.
DeleteSome may want to tell him not to use rude words by saying the same to him but I want to try and explain things to him. I trust Annie will let me by publishing my comments in which I will try not to be harsh on him.
I will do so in due course.
21:57,
Deletesuppose you'd readily be a member of the Fifth Column for China. Heard about loyalty and patriotism to this country?
Debate it here, no need to hope for an invading Chinese Navy. It's that sort of things that people criticize the DAP and the like-minded strongly and, in the process, true, loyal and Constitution-respecting Chinese also feel bad though not aimed at them
For your information, the Chinese Ambassador has openly stated in the media that he had no intention in interfering in the internal affairs of this country.
And to-day's news report says not just the Minister of Foreign Affairs, but the Cabinet, meaning the entire government of Malaysia has reacted -
Cabinet seeks official explanation from China ambassador to end debate
The Star Online - 1 hour ago
PUTRAJAYA: The Cabinet has asked China's ambassador to Malaysia Dr Huang Huikang to officially explain on the statement he made during a visit to Petaling Street and whether it had been misconstrued.
21:57,
DeleteYou should learn the history of this country. DAP's folly has been not wanting to learn history, even protesting History being made compulsory in schools w.e.f 2013, presumably because not wanting their children to know that their forefathers immigrated to this country in large numbers in the late 19th century, and are therefore new arrivals.
So, as new arrivals, you cannot say "because we tolerate the Melayu for the last 50 odd years."
Yards can be written of the Malays tolerating the Chinese. Menteri Larut Ngah Ibrahim brought in some Chinese from Penang to Perak to help modernize his tin mines and even gave the Chinese land leases, as well as capital to a few, to start tin mines so that he could tax them and build roads etc.
But the Chinese brought in the Ghe Heng and the Hai Sans, quarrelled between them in the rivalry for ownership of tin mines, the thugs and gangsters killed each other until it caused the Larut Wars I,II,III&IV in the 2nd half of the 19th century.
Things went from bad to worse until the Kapitan Cina and 44 gangsters signed a petition asking the British in Penang (where they came from) to enter Perak to help recover tin mines lost to rival gangs. It led to the British coming into Perak and ended with the Pangkor Treaty 1874 and the British started to colonize Perak and later the whole country.
It's on record that the Chinese had betrayed this country by calling he British to enter Perak and colonize this country. So, again, it's not the Chinese tolerating the Malays. It's very much the Malays tolerating the Chinese.
Read Sejarah Kesultanan Negeri Perak, Prof FAWZI BASRI, terbitan Yayasan Perak and Wikipedia on the Larut Wars.
21:57,
DeleteYou said you and your (DAP) kind "have been called all sorts of names and we are really immuned to it now." If so, why come out with rude words and highly antagonistic tone, instead of grinning and bearing it? Because cakap tak serupa bikin, that you DAP people are often accused of?
It must be emphasized and repeated again and again here, there and everywhere that the "all sorts of names" that you said above were used at the DAP and the like-minded, who have been labelled as "ultra kiasu, ungrateful ingrate Cina Bukit pendatang" and other names. Those who have been known as anti-Malay, anti-Islam and caused the race riots of 1969.
And that they were and are not meant at the grateful, decent and loyal Chinese citizens who the Malays are proud to call "fellow citizens", as indeed hey are. It's been repeatedly stated in comments here and elsewhere that the MCA President and the MIC President have stated in Parliamnet in 1968 that they grateful to the Malays for their generosity for agreeing to the citizensjhip right for non-Malays at Merdeka and for relaxing the rules for the issue of citizenship certificates afer Merdeka. The Malays have no quarrel with them at all.
But the DAP and their kind, the Malays have a lot of problems with - not just UMNO, also PAS who, both, represent the vast majority of the Malays in this country.
Whether you are DAP member or not is immaterial but speaking the way you do certainly make you "DAP kind", disliked by the Malays and therefore called all sorts of names.
2157,
DeleteYou sound an old hog when saying "or a do whatever fuck that is WITHIN THE LAW to piss you chibai off."
Are you an old uncontrollable-peeing ahpek or a peeing ahsoh who spells the word "chibai" using the old Malay spelling?
Using dirty words all over the place - no upbringing when small arr?
The following is a very valid advice to the DAP or DAP-minded bloke at 2157 -
DeleteStop 'fantasising' China will help you, local Chinese told
Free Malaysia Today - 1 hour ago
Tajuddin Abdul Rahman reminds them that the Chinese Ambassador is only looking out for tourists from China, not rushing to help Malaysian Chinese.
Another one that the 2157 fellow should know - Malays are really proud of and share the huge loss of a genuinne "fellow Malaysian, "ex-senior police officer Tan Sri Yuen Yuet Leng who passed away today.
DeleteHe spent the prime of his life in the thick Malayan jungles battling communist insurgents had lived in dismay in recent years disturbed by the unpleasant turn of events involving racial unity and graft in the country, recounting how it would be the last thing members of Malaysian security forces during his time would expect to see.
His wife said, "For him, everything was the nation. The country was the love of his life and that is what he talked about the most.
"He just felt that he had made sacrifices and many people had died fighting for the well being of the nation but seeing what was going on in the country made him very sad," she said.
Chan said that Yuen's dream was to unite all races unconditionally. "Even when he was in hospital bed, he wanted to have a press conference before the Bersih 4.0 gathering.
"He wanted to tell that he wants peace. If the people continue to fight against each other, in the end we are on the losing side. It is not good for our country. It is not good for the economy."
The responses are exactly what I have expected.
DeleteIt doesn't feel good when someone like me telling you to fuck off, right?
Now you know how the 6.99 million and I feel.
At least we are clear from here on.
Again, NA!
0019,
DeleteTime for you to be told go jump into the South China Sea.
0018 is a real "ungrateful ingrate, ultra kiasu, Cina Bukit DAP pendatang, biadap like Lim Guan Eng (DAP Vice Chairman Tengku Aziz's words)" bugger.
DeleteNo remorse, utterly incorrigible, completely uncaring, hard headed anarchistic bloke. Damn stupid, too, thinking ALL Chinese thinking the way he does when only DAP members and supporters are like him.
And DAP told the Registrar of Societies during the imbroglio over the undemocratic "election" of CEC members some time back, they have only about 2.500 members, as per the list provided to RoS,
6.99 million feel like him, my foot.
Well Annie.. how many countries in the world practice vernacular education system? You have mentioned ..Bosnia.. Sri Lanka tearing themselves apart .. why go so far and not look at our closest neighbor first? Singapore? Indonesia? Thailand? What did LKY say about vernacular education system? Do we (Malaysia) have any other country in the world which adopts vernacular education system, to compare with in the first place?
ReplyDeleteThe Singapore school system is but one of the important parts to achieving national objectives.
DeleteIn the beginning, LKY clamped down on Chinese schools because they were mostly influenced by the communists. There were much objections at first, but when the people knew they could find a better livelihood with English, they went along.
However, with the rise of China, mandarin became important again, and now almost everyone in Singapore speaks it. China is now communist in name only.
Do you see many Malays emigrating to Malaysia when they are still economically active? They may retire here though. After they sold their houses and get their cpf, which should give them millions in ringgit. But their children will stay back in Singapore for their careers.
On the other hand, a significant % of Singaporean were Malaysian Chinese, who have helped build the nation to what it is now.
The Malaysian government does not help the Chinese in the way they help the Malays. Even then, much of the efforts to help don't seem to be bearing fruits. Chinese therefore must be practical in order to thrive. Fortunately, most countries in the world now look at Chinese positively in that they generally contribute to the well being of their new countries, and also because of China.
0821,
DeleteNo offence intended, but Mandarin is not an international language. It's used largely in China.
Even so, the Chinese in Southern China are not keen to use Mandarin. They staged demonstrations in Canton, Hong Kong etc against Beijing's enforcement of the use of Mandarin, China's official language, a few years ago. Google it you'd get the facts of the demos at that time.
Very strange indeed that those in Southern China are not keen in using Mandarim (it's not their mother tongue) and staged demonstrations. Yet the Chinese in Malaysia, almost all of whom originated from Southern China, want Mandarin as the medium of instruction in schools.
They should not be angry when called kiasu. Talking about heritage is not valid - practically all Americans don't talk about heritage. The French, Germans, Dutch, and others from European countries ceased using their mother tongues when they migrated to America.
And Mandarin is not even the mother tongue of the Chinese in Malaysia. No offence intended again, merely stating the fact.
Annie,
ReplyDeleteTopik ini agak menarik kerana saya orang melayu tapi sekolah cina.
Sekolah rendah saya sekolah cina dan sekolah menengah saya sekolah melayu.
Seperti Annie saya boleh bercakap mandarin.
Kelebihan sekolah cina, mengikut pengalaman saya, dalam subjek matematik. Orang cina darab lagi cepat. (contoh “Tujuh kali Lima Tiga Puluh Lima “ , dalam bahasa cina (Chi U San se U). Sebutan untuk mendarab tidak banyak berbanding dengan bahasa melayu oleh itu lebih cepat dan senang untuk hafal.
Darjah 6 matematik di sekolah cina lebih susah dari sekolah kebangsaan. Apabila saya masuki seokolah menengah melayu, subjek matematik, saya berasa amat mudah.
Kedua, soal sekolah cina ajar benci orang melayu adalah karut. Saya tidak ada alaminya, ada 7 orang melayu sama umur dengan saya dan tidak ada masalah perkauman langsung.
Ketiga, soal integrasi orang melayu dengan cina. Bukan semua orang cina masuk SRJK tetapi jumlah anggaran kasar saya adalah 50/50. Ada ramai orang cina yang masuk sekolah kebangsaan dan dapat belajar dengan baik.
Keempat, soal sentimen bangsa. Apabila saya masuk sekolah menengah, saya disuruh pilih masuk kelas agama atau bahasa cina. Walaupun saya orang Islam, saya pilih masuk kelas bahasa cina kerana saya ada masuk sekolah agama di waktu petang (di Johor yang menggunakan kitab "matlaal badrain" jauh lebih mendalam dari sekolah kebangsaan). Saya tidak dibenarkan oleh guru agama dan dipaksa masuk kelas agama. Kalaulah saya orang melayu tidak mahu buang bahasa cina dalam kepala saya, apatah lagi orang cina. Annie akan paham, tapi orang yang tidak tahu bahasa mandarin 100% tak akan paham.
Soal integrasi kaum, pada pandangan saya, mungkin pendekatan yang terbaik adalah di tahap sekolah menengah, wajib untuk semua rakyat masuk sekolah satu aliran di tahap sekolah menengah.
Kelima, isu politik. Umpan perkauman dimainkan pada waktu sekarang untuk alihkan perhatian daripada isu-isu semasa yang lebih kritikal iaitu isu matawang jatuh menjunam, ekonomi, isu kos sarahidup yang tinggi dan banyak isu rasuah. Ada perkara-perkara yang lebih penting patut diberikan perhatian yang lebih.
Sewaktu saya masuk sekolah melayu dari sekolah cina (awal 90an) , tidak ada sama sekali sentiment perkauman, orang cina, india dan orang melayu bergaul dengan baik. Zaman sekarang sentiment perkauman sengaja diadakan untuk tujuan politik.
Keenam , soal tahap prestasi sekolah kebangsaan sekarang yang merudum terutamanya dalam subjek sains, matematik dan bahasa inggeri. Ini yang patut diberikan perhatian lebih daripada soal SRJK.
Ketujuh, soal kemasukkan universiti golongan perempuan yang nisbahnya jauh daripada lelaki iaitu 7:3. Ini juga adalah masalah yang amat berat dimana graduan wanita susah hendak mencari suami yang setaraf pendidikannya.
Saya berpeluang berlajar di sekolah rendah Cina, Sek Men Ing dan juga 98% murid Melayu Sek Keb. Dari pengamatan dan pengalaman saya, mutu dan dedikasi tenaga di sek Cina paling tinggi. Yang paling teruk adalah sek keb. Itu hakikatnya tetapi ramai yg komen di sini tidak pernah belajar di sekolah berkenaan, lalu membuat kecaman yg bukan-bukan. Persoalannya ialah mutu sekolah bukan aliran sekolah.
DeleteCK Alma,
DeleteAnda salah. Isu nya ialah aliran sekolah, sebab sekolah vernakular bercanggah dengan Pekara 152 Perlembagaan yang menyatakan bahasa ibunda boleh di gunakan ha nya "selain dari urusan resmi".
Sekolah ada lah urusan resmi. Oleh itu, perlu menggunakan BM sebagai bahasa pengantar nya.
Dalam pada itu, kelemahan kelemahan di SK perlu di baikki oleh pemerintah dari masa ke masa.
Setuju dgn pendapat yang ni.
DeleteSekolah rendah takpa nak buat byk aliran...time sekolah menengah semua masuk satu sekolah...
ReplyDeleteAnon 21:57,
Not going anywhere , be Malaysian ,stop being Chinese ,unless your big brothers welcome you .
When we started this nation, there were missionary/English school, madrasah/sekolah Melayu, andand vernacular school.
ReplyDeleteAfter independence, sekolah Melayu became national school, missionary school adopted national curriculum but vernacular school still remains.
Then Sabah and Sarawak joined Malaysia and all the tribes there immediately adopted national school. No fuss.
So, in the first place, what's keeping the forefathers of the present Cina and India in their vernacular schools when everyone else, the 65% of population moving towards unification and adopting a single Malaysian identity?
Can someone enlighten all of us. I don't think it is spelt out in details other than that tit-for-tat deal for the Bumiputeras to keep that special status, which seems not to mean anything, particularly in these modern times.
Malaysian Fusion!
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu585Uh-aLg
Maybe you mean is "what's keeping the forefathers of the present "Chinese" and "Indians" in their vernacular schools when everyone else, the 65% of population moving towards unification and adopting a single Malaysian identity?
DeleteYes, you have a valid point. I have not seen justifiable answers so far.
The enshrining of the Malay and Bumiputera Special Position in the Constitution was a tit for tat for the Malays agreeing to the citizenship right for the non-Malays. It means a lot because the Malays and Bumiputeras were left far behind under the British colonial rule which built only 4 years of Malay primary schools far in between the kampongs where most of the Malays lived. But built ample number of schools both at the primary and secondary levels, as well as English schools, in the towns where most of the Chinese lived.
The British gave many kinds of assistance to do business to the Chinese - who have a culture of doing business - but not to the Malays who did not have such a culture.
As a result, when the authorities did some counting and calculating after the race riots of 1969, they found there were not even 5% of Malays in the professional field (as doctors, lawyers, accountants etc) and owned only about 1% of corporate wealth.
Under the NEP which was derived from that Special Position, the Malays now have many Master's degree and PhD holders, and aquired 24% of corporate wealth, though some were lost during the Asian Financial Crisis in the 1990s.
Far from enough even in corporate wealth and especially no counting has been done of Malay and Bumiputera ownership in the other sectors of the economy like commercial buildings and residential properties.
So, the Malay and Bumiputera Special Position means a lot from that angle. But because it was the quid pro quo for the Malays agreeing to the citizenship right for the Malays, that Special Position shall be there as long as the citizenship right for the non-Malays is there. And it's protected under the Sedition Act.
Annie,
ReplyDeleteThe national school system is an absolute disgrace which does nothing but produce substandard students.
Vernacular schools on the other hand have a proven track record of producing smarter students.
I suppose that for some people, it would be nice to shut down vernacular schools to prevent too many smart students.
My personal opinion is that we should be demanding that the MoE improves the national school system to, at least if not better than, the standard of vernacular schools.
Gladiator
Agreed, your 3rd para seems to have a large element of truth.
Deleteangkat bakul sendiri...
DeleteGladiator is putting out the DAP propaganda with such words as "absolute disgrace which does nothing but produce substandard students ... Vernacular schools ... proven track record of producing smarter students." Can you show proof, with verifiable facts and figures?
DeleteBut I agree National Schools have a lot of weaknesses and support the call "demanding that the MoE improves the national school system".
00.16
DeleteHow I wish you could back up your allegations with cold facts and numbers, not merely regurgitating the claims and myths made by the DAP.
Any scientific study made nationwide?
If none then your claims are just nothing but pure DAP propaganda and bullshit.
DeleteThe national education strategy Sdr ANON Gladiator
PPPM 2013- 25 emphasises HOTs
( Higher Order Thinking skills )
for improving national schools. Suggest that all check this is included and not purely good old fashioned rote-learning that many suspect Chinese schools and MRSM resort to produce top results.
Haji M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
The Chinese are a strange people.
ReplyDeleteTheir national flower is the plum flower.
Which blooms in winter.
And the colder the winter,
The more it blooms.
It represents the character of the Chinese people, including those all over the world.
Yeah, unlike most flowers which bloom only when the weather is good.
DeleteI salute what the Singaporean Govt did for its education system.No vernacular education allowed.
ReplyDeleteYes, in English. I think everyone in Malaysia will agreed to that.
DeleteGood for you to salute the Sg Govt.
DeleteMandarin (what is called vernacular education in Malaysia) is now very commonly used and is in 2nd place. Just after English.
More and more Malay Singaporeans now realise the importantance of the 2 languages, which are promoted by the government because Singapore is an international city, with links to the world.
Singapore cannot be compared to Malaysia. The population composition is different, the size is different and easily manageable, the running of the Government is different, the extent of freedom and democracy is different.
DeleteEasy examples are they still retain the ISA and Lee Kuan Yew did not hesitate to take the Opposition to court, lost their seats and at one time the Singapore Parliament had only 2 Opposition MPs.
It would be better if Singapore had some "Malay-centric" semi-govt. schools just like they have quite a few "Chinese-centric" semi-govt schools like Hwa Chong School and Chung Cheng High. Important for the cultural and linguistic continuity ...
DeleteAnno 14:26
DeleteYes there are Malay-centric school in Singapore, it's call sekolah Agama (Madrasah) and there are plenty of them. Just googled it.
There are six full-time madrasahs in Singapore with a total of around 4,000 students, but two of these institutions admit only young women. They incorporate a strong religious curriculum in their syllabus. These Islamic madrasahs function as seminaries to train asatizah/teachers capable of instructing and guiding the community in religious affairs. The madrasahs are not Malay-centric but Arabic/Islam-centric instead. Of the tens of thousands of other Malay students a few either cannot gain admission into these six madrasahs but many do not want to be educated in a religious program. This big latter group have no Malay-centric cultural schools to go to unlike their Chinese cohorts who have many choice Chinese-centric schools to study at - even if every school must incorporate the standard national curriculum.
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ReplyDeleteWe need vernacular schools adinda Ms Annie
for our countrys competitive advantage. We trade with China and big big overseas Chinese players including those in Chinatowns all over the world in their own most comfortable language.
The same goes for Agama schools that use more Arabic.
Haji M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Do you have statistics on the overseas Chinese players including those in Chinatowns all over the world, numbers and volumes?
DeleteAgama schools come under Article 3 of the Constitution - "Islam is the religion of the Federation".
In the top tier western business schools of the world, Mandarin is the most popular foreign language taught. Even in Japan, other than English, Mandarin is the most popular foreign language for business executives.
DeleteIn top tier private high schools and universities in the US, Mandarin is again the most popular language taught. Mandarin speaking nannies or governesses are particularly in demand in New York.
Heard of US billionaire Jim Rogers, the legendary investor often interviewed on business tv channels world wide? He has been living in Singapore for a number of years, and both his 2 girls go to a national (note: not international) school there, the reason being he want them speak Mandarin like Chinese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_7pXtxjy5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfpAAIjEek
DeleteTQ for asking an important Q, Sdr ANON 05:53
According to vice chairman of Jiangsu Provincial Committee of China Zhi Gong Party, the total of 50 million overseas Chinese from 110 countries serve as 'China's unique advantage and important resources'
With school-leavers from our vernacular schools and how they are engaged, they should in-sya-Allah be Malaysia's too
(Link to official China.org.cn website :
http://www.china.org.cn/china/NPC_CPPCC_2012/2012-03/11/content_24865428.htm )
Haji M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Txs for the link, Tuan Haji.
DeleteCould not get the "About Us" there that can tell whether it's the official Chinese Government website. Doesn't sound so - the Chinese Government even during Mao Zedong's days had the policy (said by Premier Chou En Lai himself) of encouraging the overseas Chinese to be loyal to their country of adoption. The site you gave doesn't appear so.
So, the 50 mill figure appears suspect. The Thai, Filipino and Indon Chinese may not be considered Chinese and many of the young ones there may not even speak Mandarin.
08:39 's comment speaks about so many Mandarin studies at varsitis in US etc but the point of argument in many comments in this post is Mandarin as an "international language", which I still doubt it is.
PS:
DeleteThat China.org website may belong to an NGO, a private body promoting the interests of overseas Chinese, not an official Chinese government website.
Zin, did you ever study pedagogy and developmental psychology?
ReplyDelete
DeleteTQ for asking but I'm not an educationist, Sdr 00:28
and would be happy you share your knowledge here.
Haji M Zin, 25-year PIBG veteran
(in Subang Jaya & Melaka WHC)
Alor Gajah DPH