Tomorrow is the last day of 2016.
So, I'm just going to post this rather interesting ongoing debate between commentators in my previous posting,
Things are easier said than done
- Anonymous25 December 2016 at 10:51Hudud is a very small area of Muslim jurisprudence, Sdr Gladiator
and as explained above that unlike ISIS there are legal processes through courts before the Kadi judges passes sentence. We can continue this doscussion here on LoA, and OK if you already passed your judgement
Not ISIS not even Fiqh laws however give a comprehensive picture of Islam Syaria which more emphasises direct and personal Tauhid conections with Allah SWT, and Sufism to strive for best character among others.
Alor Gajah DPH
- Anonymous25 December 2016 at 17:43The "comprehensive picture of Islam" is justice and loving-kindness by means of deliberating on the "maqasid al-syariah" to mould and mend civil society.
- Anonymous25 December 2016 at 22:59M Zin,
//Hudud is a very small area of Muslim jurisprudence//
So, because it is a small area, we should not discuss it?
Sounds more like you are trying to avoid discussing it or even drawing attention to it :)
Never mind that barbaric practices are being carried out in the name of Islam?
So, what happens when your so-called "legal processes" are heavily skewed towards punishment as in the case of ISIS?
Let's be honest, the people who run ISIS probably have a much better understanding of Islamic jurisprudence than you do :)
Many of those ISIS people are very likely graduates of the same universities as Hadi Awang and others in PAS.
Will you be one of those who would stone "your lil sis" Annie if she was found guilty of adultery?
- Anonymous26 December 2016 at 13:37ISIS is not supported by Muslims in general, Sdtr Gladiator
and their killings mainly warfare expediency which is not Islamic. Just ask your Muslim neighbours
With or without your support majority Muslims want Bill 355
( although will not pass for political reasons?)
Alor Gajah DPH
- Anonymous26 December 2016 at 21:55M Zin,
//ISIS is not supported by Muslims in general//
Well, the punishments ISIS hands out like stoning for adultery seem to be supported by Muslims in Malaysia.
So, will you stone your "lil sis" Annie if she was found guilty of adultery under Islamic law?
- Anonymous27 December 2016 at 11:01Yes in-sya-Allah, Sdr Gladiator
subject to due court process and really against current social sanctions
The Prophet SAW reminded:
" What destroyed your predecessors was just that when a person of rank among them committed a theft they left him alone,
and when a weak one of them committed a theft, they inflicted the prescribed punishment on him. I swear by Allah that if Fatimah daughter of Muhammad should steal, I would have her hand cut off"
-- Hadith Sahih Ibn Majah
( Book 40 on Hudud)
Alor Gajah DPH
- Anonymous27 December 2016 at 19:31Yes I was distracted here from Maqasid al-Syaria, TQ Sdr ANON 17:43
which are the highest and more comprehensive 5 objectives of Syaria way of life for the biggest communuity
Fiqh prosesses support the objectives
Alor Gajah DPH
- Anonymous27 December 2016 at 22:47M Zin,
//Yes in-sya-Allah, Sdr Gladiator
subject to due court process and really against current social sanctions//
So, you are saying that you will kill your "lil sis" Annie for adultery, right?
We have already agreed that "due court process" have been met.
I have no idea what you mean by "and really against current social sanctions" in that sentence.
It sounds like a jumble of words and no matter how many times I read it, that phrase is meaningless.
You need a reality check in regards to your views.
You are going to be involved in killing a person for a matter which does not involve you at all.
You are not your "lil sis" Annie who committed the adultery, you are not your "lil sis" Annie's husband, you are not the person with whom your "lil sis" Annie committed the adultery with.
And yet, you would kill your "lil sis" Annie? For a matter which is none of your business?
You need to re-assess your sense of values and humanity.
Do you understand why non-Muslims think your beliefs are primitive and barbaric?
- Anonymous28 December 2016 at 10:58You asked and I explained above, Sdr Gladiator
Due court process(?) will be judged case by case
You are entitled to your beliefs and the majority will in-sya-Allah carry on with Syaria
Alor Gajah DPH
- Anonymous29 December 2016 at 10:04M Zin,
//You asked and I explained above//
Explain why you are getting involved in a matter which has nothing to do with you?
Explain why you are going to kill your "lil sis" Annie when it is none of your business what she does with her life?
You have really not explained anything.
- Anonymous29 December 2016 at 22:28Sure not personally my business, as sentencing for adultery is by YA Hakim in court. Is that still confusing you?
Alor Gajah DPH
- Anonymous30 December 2016 at 00:13M Zin,
//Sure not personally my business//
So why are you going around killing your "lil sis" Annie, for something which is "not personally your business"?
- Anonymous30 December 2016 at 15:19if anyone doing adultery, its going to cause damage to society
if you are not punished here by stoning, you will suffer in hereafter
if you refuse punishment then your relationship with allah can be questioned
therefore dont commit adultery and control your lust
- Anonymous30 December 2016 at 22:38Anonymous @ 30 December 2016 at 15:19,
//if anyone doing adultery, its going to cause damage to society//
Adultery has been going on for thousands of years and society is still around.
In fact, countries where adultery is not punishable by stoning to death are, arguably, way more advanced than countries which advocate stoning adulterers.
//if you are not punished here by stoning, you will suffer in hereafter//
My unicorn god promised me a great hereafter no matter what I do here.
//if you refuse punishment then your relationship with allah can be questioned//
So one who is adulterous need to accept being stoned to death?
Which moron came up with that idea?
Which moron would want to accept such an idea?
//therefore dont commit adultery and control your lust//
That is just your view.
What if a person wishes to indulge in their lust?
Are you going to go around imposing your views on him/her by stoning them to death?
- Well, interesting isn't it?
- Maybe they can continue the debate here at this fresh posting.
But really. Stoning someone to death is quite scary.
I think it's not only scary for the one being stoned but also scary for the ones who have to cast the stones.
I think I would be traumatised if forced to stone someone to death.
Here, I'm again putting up this video of a depiction on how someone is being stoned to death,
Why can't they just shoot her to death or chop her head off?
I think those are more humane ways of killing someone.
If I'm not mistaken, under hudud, a convicted murderer will have his/her head chopped off.
That seems a better deal.
Is adultery worse than murder?
Sorry. My knowledge of hudud is very sketchy.
//Why quote ISIS whose summary kilings universally condemded as murder,//
Why NOT quote ISIS?
Many of their practices have solid foundation in Islamic jurisprudence.
As you can see from the above example by Annie, stoning an adulteress is EXACTLY what is in Islamic jurisprudence.
Another example is the cutting off of limbs.
Or how about the blood of kafir harbi?
And so the list goes...
So, what is the difference between the practices of ISIS and that which is in Islamic jurisprudence?
ISIS is an example of what many non-Muslims, and no doubt many Muslims themselves, fear about Islamic jurisprudence.
And Hadi Awang is seen as nothing more than an advocate of ISIS ideology and ISIS practices.
In fact, I am willing to bet that most of the Malaysians fighting for ISIS in Syria and Iraq started off as PAS supporters.