Tuesday, 27 March 2018

Proposed anti-fake news law not so bad (updated)

UPDATES (on March 28, 2018 at 7.18am)

Got a call from a friend over this issue yesterday evening.

He said he read this post and wanted to express his unhappiness with the proposed anti-fake news law.

My friend is actually pro-BN.

He said introducing such a law so close to the general election was wrong as it could backfire badly on BN.

"It will give ammo to the opposition for their campaign. No one likes to have his freedom restricted in any way. This is especially so among the young people," he said.

My friend is not trained in law like me but he has a good read of the law.

He said according to the bill, the law will give the Attorney General the power to decide what are fake news.

"That is bad. People are already complaining about the AG having too much power and here we are giving him even more power," he said.

My friend also suspected that the introduction of the anti-fake news law is just a continuation of the proxy war between factions in Najib's camp.

He said this part of the proposed law was likely designed to cut down to size members of a faction who have been using a prominent blogger based in UK to attack their rivals,

It covers all mediums and extends to even foreigners outside Malaysia as long as Malaysia or its citizens are affected.

Well, my friend does have a point there.

That part of the bill does look kinda weird.

By the way, I also found that many people are saying this about this issue;

Proposed anti-fake news law should have safeguards

excerpts;

“Minister of Communications and Multimedia Datuk Seri Dr. Salleh Said Keruak should consider having a special committee comprising journalists and communication experts to study every fake news case. Get an ex-judge to chair the committee,” suggested Ahirudin.
“This special committee, if you ask me, should not have any politician on board. None. Not even ex-politicians,” he said.
ORIGINAL POST

This is an Associate Press story picked by Wichita Eagle, a US publication;

Malaysia government proposes

10 years in jail for fake news


excerpts;

The anti-fake news bill, which must be approved by parliament, calls for penalizing those who create, offer, circulate, print or publish fake news or publications containing fake news with a 10-year jail term, a fine of up to 500,000 ringgit ($128,000) or both.
The bill defines fake news as "any news, information, data and reports which is, or are, wholly or partly false whether in the form of features, visuals or audio recordings or in any other form capable of suggesting words or ideas." It covers all mediums and extends to even foreigners outside Malaysia as long as Malaysia or its citizens are affected.


Read more here: https://www.kansas.com/news/business/article206808879.html#storylink=cpy
The writer of the report is Eileen Ng. She used to be with NST, The Star and the now closed Malaysian Insider.

Used to be chummy with her, but we haven't seen each other for quite a while. Glad to know that she's with AP now.

Well, if you click on the link above and read the entire report, you may find that it's quite slanted to the opposition's side.

As for the opposition, they are meant to oppose this sort of things.

So, I'm not surprised that they are against this proposed law.

But never mind.

Actually, I'm also against any new legislation which further restricts freedom of speech and had feared the worst when the government said it's going to introduce this anti-fake news law.

However, I have seen the content of the bill for the law which was forwarded to me by a friend and have to say that it's not as bad as I had feared.

It's not like detention without trail for those suspected of writing fake news or something sinister like that.

To make it simple, I don't think I have to be scared of this law if I don't write anything fake.

It's nothing really new from the existing laws on the matter, actually.

Basically, it just said don't write or spread fake news or you go to jail or fined heavily.

I'm fine with that because I don't do this fake news business in the first place.

I always try my best to check the facts first before writing something serious.

If I'm not sure about something, I don't write about it.

For example, 1MDB.

I think we can write about the issue without making up things or simply believing in what were told to us by others

That would be the best.

Of course, the government guys shouldn't go around telling people that everything that is not coming from them are fake news.

That's stupid.

By the way, we need to also realise that the authorities need to similarly make sure a fake news is genuinely fake, before charging its author under such a law.

They can't simply simply charge people on this one, okay.

And if the mainstream media publish or broadcast fake news, they can also be charged under the proposed law.


You all who are unhappy with newspapers and television stations should keep a look out and lodge a report to the police or MCMC every time they publish or broadcast anything that could be fake news.

That would be fun, I think.

Whatever it is, I didn't see any provision in the proposed law which will make it very easy for the authorities to penalise people, what more if the person involved was innocent.

So, don't be too scared.

Bottom line is, just don't write or share things that we are not sure of.

We are after all responsible for what we tell others.

91 comments:

  1. The bill is unconstitutional. I personally think the law meant to intimidate people from speaking up, to subdue healthy discussions coming the elections especially during busy campaigning period. Sort of additional weapon to distort the free flowing of info.

    The people then will be frightened abd intimidated to share info. This is gross infrignment of their democratic right. The constitution has made it clear that one of the rights guaranteed is FREEDOM of expression.

    In this time and age where info, pictures and videos reach milions of people within seconds, and far-reaching, this new law acts to stifle it as if the people are so dumb and imbecile as to not knowing to differentiate between fact and fake. This is an insult to rakyat’s intelligent. The bill should be rejected in its entirety.

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    1. anon 1012
      You are confused between freedom and speech and creating fake news.
      Prof kangkung

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    2. Wahahahahahahaha.... Najis says WeChat is trying to sabotage 1MDB and tarnish his name but have no ball to sue ahahahaha... "Fake News" again ahahahahaha

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    3. Prof tahi anjing bila nak saman DOJ?

      Woi penyamun dasar babi?

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    4. 😱 US DoJ spreading fake news...so said the Msia gomen. Lol

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    5. A bloody bunch of useless minister. The whole world knew abt 1MDB and some country taking legal action and yet we in Malaysia still deny it. Are we Malaysian so stupid to trust BN. 1MBD in Malaysia is Fake news hiw abt outside Malaysia. Please the rakyat of Malaysia open your mind and judge what lies ahead for our generation. GE14 is the best and last chance if you waste it and vote BN. God bless you.

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    6. So it cannot be fake if DOJ dares to say that there are corruption going on in 1mdb. With bn and umno kept protecting it somewhat shows that they are corrupt as well. So this is not a fake news anymore and malaysia enforces have to take action immediate and put some people to jail!

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    7. Poor DOJ, Malaysian not a public official will Lockup DOJ for ten years.... With a 500k fine... I wonder if mak salleh like our prison food.... Please catch Jho Low then Malaysia will not say it's a fake news.... if DOJ lockup for ten years.... What about their wives hor....

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    8. Who said equanimity does not belongs to malaysia gov.
      !!! Lol now waiting for the stupidiest excuses to come out

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    9. Pandedak has now been instructed to force through the "fake news" law thru parliment so that they can officially declare and prosecute anyone claiming that Fatty Jho used 1MDB's funds to buy Equanimity.

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    10. Only idiot believe its fake news. DOJ will never issue any public statement unless they have evidence . So Pee N.what is your action.

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    11. Sue DOJ if it is fake news. Clear our country name.

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    12. The only way to save Malaysia is voting for PH. Bring these thieves to justice.

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    13. Najis & his gang of thieves. This are the splurges we know about. Who knows what else they bought with the money STOLEN from the public coffers!

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    14. 'fake news'......let's sue them next Tuesday.

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    15. But they say Jho Low has no connection with 1mdb!

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    16. 1mdb give pilgrims free haj but Jho Low got free yacht worth much much much more. Hahahahaha prof bangang

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    17. Our fake gender minister is all set to sue DOJ for issuing fake news, be prepared DOJ.

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    18. DOJ knew what we were doing and they make it clear again that this is not fake news by declaring this. I can’t wait for 1MDB scandal imploding on BNs face.

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    19. hahaaa fake news fake megayacth fake money fake everything...

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    20. Wahahahahahahahah... Najis law says It is a "Fake New" but no ball to sue... pathetic

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    21. #JhoLow the day you are caught in Malaysia soil, you will be dealt with by Malaysians...!!!

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    22. I guess the 20 billion orders is not good enough for mr. trump. too bad mr. MO1

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    23. Fake law passed? So are they going to take action against DOJ?

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    24. Why no investigation from our Malaysian authorities or they must receive instruction from MO1.

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    25. Show us u have the power..sue the DOJ. Liars the whole lot rite..purveyors of fake news.

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    26. The luxury yatch EQUANIMITY has the word Georgetown underneath. That shows the owner is Penangite.

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    27. No action against DOJ means genuine news.

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    28. Oh man... this is fake news. Pls pls sue them. I want to see the DOJ get a hefty saman. And DOJ pls spoiling the reputation of Msia!!

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    29. Saleh, when are you gonna sue US DoJ for false news ???

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    30. I guess the fake news law is to counter this accusations..

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    31. Any proof? No proof, its fake, so show the proof, don't keep people guessing.

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    32. Fake news! Sebenarnya: Jho Lo bought Equanimity with money πŸ’° saved since baby.

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    33. Haha....stop guessing by bring back Jahanam Low for trial.

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    34. Betul ke ni? Waiting for IMDb to deny this and should take legal action for defamation!

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    35. DOJ faking the news again, will our government sue them till their panties go missing?

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    36. How about fake characters?: the deceitful, pretentious, diabolical authoritarian mappadulung who controls "fake" laws???

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    37. And fake ular-mak that swallow Rm93 million selling their souls to Ahjibgor?

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    38. Jangan lupa isu 1MDB (1Monyet Dapat Berbilion) banyak mengubah persepsi tidak baik pengundi terhadap parti pemerintah.
      Atas fakta terdapat pengundi asal umno telah beralih kepada bersatu, pengundi asal pas telah beralih kepada amanah, barangkali persempadan semula tak memberi kesan besar untuk menjamin kemenangan BN.
      Pastinya pengundi yang bijak akan memilih PH.

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  2. FETED AND DELAYED IN WUNDERFUL PAKISTAN

    ..Our arrival in Pakistan on January 16 was a far more joyous occasion. We had entered from the Indian border town of Wagah and were greeted by office bearers from the Punjab Cycling Association, complete with garlands and armed security.

    We rode into Lahore escorted by two policemen bearing AK-47s on a motorcycle. The situation was rather amusing for Ving Lee and I at the time, given that we had cycled across Thailand, Myanmar and India entirely without escort of any kind, but when in Rome, I suppose?

    Our new friends from the cycling association were magnificent hosts and did everything they could to make our stay as pleasant as possible. No effort was spared in making us feel welcome, and we wouldn’t be exaggerating if we said we were literally feted by our hosts. 

    Prior to us arriving, we were warned by many people in India about how Pakistan is a dangerous country rife with terrorists. Even a Lama we met in New Delhi raised questions about the safety in Pakistan.

    Regardless of their concerns, we still had to travel through Pakistan as planned so we just took the concerns in our stride. A misconception perhaps, I wondered? 

    Most, if not all, of the Pakistanis we met inevitably asked us “So what do you think of Pakistan?”. Or “How do you feel being in Pakistan?”. You could sense that the Pakistanis were eager to disprove perceptions about their country and its people which they blame on the foreign media.

    I am fond of saying that the Pakistanis not only welcome you but will also grab you tight and smother as if to say “We’ve got you and we will take care of everything”. And, they mean everything. During our time in Lahore and other towns outside of it, we were well looked after in every aspect; accommodation, food and even the occasional sightseeing tour. Pakistanis are an obliging lot and will see to it that you have what you need.

    In the smaller towns outside of Lahore, we were not allowed to roam freely by ourselves and were confined to our room after sunset. We could only move around if accompanied by our hosts or by the police although never was there a time we felt unsafe to be on our own. Hospitality or paranoia, their concerns were nevertheless much appreciated. 

    The second most asked question to us in Pakistan would be “Are you Muslim?”. I guess it’s because they assume Malaysians would be Muslims  by default although the same question was asked of us often in India. 

    We had some frank discussions about Islam with our hosts and found out that there is no religious policing in Pakistan. Nor do the Pakistanis place much emphasis on halal/haram matters. The Pakistanis appear refreshingly liberal despite being an Islamic Republic.

    Also, I discovered that Dr Mahathir Mohamad is a household name among Pakistanis as they see him as a Muslim who brought much development to a third-world country. I delighted in telling them that Dr Mahathir and I share the same birthplace and attended the same school. 

    We had a string of productive activities while in Pakistan. We met journalists and even appeared on radio and television, speaking about our mission involving childhood cancer. We spoke to schoolchildren on a couple of occasions, too. 

    There is something quite impressive about the young in Pakistan. They seem to possess what I would call the three Es – enthusiasm, energy and enterprise. That they appear mature for their young age, which I’m sure is by design and perhaps culture. 

    * David Wu is riding a bicycle around the world with Ving Lee to raise awareness about children with cancer. The Malaysian Insight is the media partner for the SevenWunders initiative.

    Read more of their journey at: https://qwww.themalaysianinsight.com/s/36757/

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    1. Please follow Mr Wu's journey with another awesome guy Mr Ving. Check them out in FB SevenWunders or Mr Wu's Fb (David Wu - Singapore) and if you have the means do support even at RM1 for National Cancer Society of Malaysia

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    2. Ask DOJ to come and say it in Malaysia. BN Government will fine them and jail them for spreading Fake News!!

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    3. Fake ah?? who's the fake now? Please call US Embassy. Fake sue or BN please explain further. Fake again ah?

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    4. Hah hah fake news from DOJ, come on azalina sue them immediately or else u no face to hide lah

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    5. In the USA it is not alleged but a confirmation!! So this is getting very interesting!!

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    6. If fake news why Malaysia don sue ?don make Malaysian malu ...

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    7. So how? Which one is the fake news? 🀣

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    8. Msian gomen must summon doj..

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    9. Hehehe. Bolehland have too many dedak kan dan buati ituki perangai HIDAYAT ORANG UTAN MAKLUT KEBANGGAAN BOLEHLAND MSIA. HEHEHE.

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    10. Minister Minah-jantan tu cakap ini semua "fake news".

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    11. nak watpe buat undang2 fake news kalau xdigunakan..saman le DOJ

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    12. Apa lagi netizen mahu ???

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    13. Sue DOJ for this fake news!!!

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    14. #FAKENEWS.. Sue DOJ.. Today is Tuesday!!!

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    15. FAKE NEWS FAKES NEWS....PUT THEM IN JAIL

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    16. Lol. Sue DOJ for fake news la

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    17. Do not share it's a trap , Fake News 😭😭😭😭😭

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    18. And our govt will say it's faked news!

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    19. Fake news... Sue.... Take action

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    20. Now why NO ONE dares to call this FAKE NEWS?

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    21. Azalina, FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!! Please arrest DOJ la....

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    22. Mana ada ini berita palsu ni.. Jangan bg kepit n macai2 marah..

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    23. Here, true is fake, fake is true.....

      Jho Low

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    24. Over to you Najib & cronies... pls answer

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    25. The Bumno govt does not care two hoots for the Rakyat. The just bulldoze thru the redelineation bill. The bull.is abt their maintaining control. Raktat can go.to hell for all they care. Do we want. this kind of repressive deceitful self serving govt? We still hv our votes n we must vote against them. U can be sure they will still be cheating at GE14.

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  3. Annie,

    Fake news work only if readers are dumb and many Malaysians are dumb.

    Why are many Malaysians dumb?

    Because the system of education here is dumb.

    //For example, 1MDB.//

    This is a no-brainer.

    The only people putting out fake news are those who are robbing 1MDB and telling us that no crimes have been committed and no money is missing.

    There is just way too many corroborating evidence out there by way of legal action by foreign countries and reporting by reputable newspapers.

    One would have to be really really gullible to believe that 1MDB is all fine and dandy.


    Anyway, I am not in the news game so I am not going to be affected by this fake news. I don't go around spreading fake news anywhere - not my nature.

    Most of what I share here are from my personal experiences - it's up to others to believe me or not.

    Gladiator

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    1. Agree with you G..even the truth glare at you, you never see it because of the dumbness in you

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    2. the next thing is ban wechat.. must use 1MChat.. which going to be developed by unknown company for 1million

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    3. 1MDB untung besar

      jho low

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  4. The law will be good if it is applied equally to all irrespective of rank and position, and party affiliation.

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  5. Annie, what does the bill say about proving that the person knowingly spread fake news? In the absence of details, we refer to what is known in the past few days. In one of the illustrations contained in Section 4 of the bill:

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    "(g) A gives a speech during a public forum held at a public place. In his speech, A informs that Z has misappropriated money collected for charitable purpose knowing that the information is false. A is guilty of an offence under this section."
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    Now the opposition have been going around saying vast amounts of money have been siphoned from 1MDB and some of which was deposited in certain accounts and portions were used to buy jewellery for certain persons.

    And the govt. people have kept insisting that not a single sen have be stolen from 1MDB.

    Who, of these two opposing sides, is guilty of disseminating fake news?

    So we refer to the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) and answers on the Anti-Fake News Bill 2018 issued by the office of the Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Azalina Othman Said.

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    "In this context, who will determine whether a piece of news or information is incorrect or otherwise?

    "In this respect, the government has decided to leave it to a neutral and fair party, that is the courts, to determine whether a piece of news or information is incorrect or otherwise. That is, by the due process of law."
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    So the govt. will take each of the opposition people to court to determine the truth? Does it work like that?

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    1. "And the govt. people have kept insisting that not a single sen have be stolen from 1MDB."

      Something weird there.

      If 'not a single cent' was stolen from 1MDB, why no Audited Account Statement since Deloitte and its B.O.D declared statement for 2013 & 2014 as 'Can No longer be Relied Upon', a few days after DoJ's Civil Filing?

      Is it not a severe offence, as in The Companies Commission of Malaysia (SSM) laws, for a company without its yearly Audited Account, more so for 5 years, yet was still allowed to sell Rakyats primeland to foreigners to pay debt. Even to the extend... korek-lobang, kambus-lobang... borrowed RM2 Billion from Ananda Krishnan to pay debt.

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    2. Regarding the 1MDB financial statements for 2015 and 2016, the Finance Ministry in a written reply in the Dewan Rakyat (November 20, 2017) to a question from Muhyiddin Yasin (PPBM-Pagoh) said :

      “On July 8, 2015, the police seized various original documents from 1MDB. Appeals by 1MDB management for the return of the documents have gone unheeded.

      “This has made it difficult for the auditors to complete the financial statements for the years in question as they need the original documents to proceed with their tasks.”
      http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2017/11/20/ministry-1mdb-auditors-hampered-by-cops-not-returning-documents/

      Such a nice excuse! Why are the authorities keeping the documents for so long? Still investigating a company that purports that everything is all in order?

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    3. Ha, ha, ha. . . lagi si bodoh UMNO Minster cakap Jho Low not the owner of Equanimity. Kalau bukan owner apa jadah dia bagi arahan pada Kapten kapal tu?

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  6. To me, it will only open-up more avenues for corruption and misuse of power. Why waste time, creating something new when the existing laws is adequate enough?
    Take for example ISA and its supplement, Emergency Ordinance which was replaced by a more draconian SOSMA & POCA, but can be misused too.

    With the rate things are being swept under the carpet, coupled with an all-time low esteem the Rakyat have on the country's system of governance, this so called 'anti-fake news' law can also make DoJ's suspicion hardened into certainty.

    The only consolation, more income or revenue for lawyers and the government.

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    1. kah..kah…until cows come home la, it wont change anything. dis cock up/barang naik politic is for nothing more but saving their ass… defend it to d last.

      with their new longer arms conceivably control everything they r pretty much in position to start throwing their own stones back. i mean fake news can mean whatever u want it to be. dun crack ur head to define it. i know that u know wats going on.

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    2. I'm still wondering on what visa is Jho Low out of the country. He has been away for God knows how long. Can an ordinary citizen be issued with visas from various countries to be away for fun and enjoyment and to cruise in a yacht for such a long time? Can he enter Malaysia again? Even those who live in England, like RPK and Baginda and their families, on what grounds were visas issued? I've heard a lot of students and ordinary people are deported because of expired visa. Just out of curiosity.

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    3. Equanimity superyacht is still owned by Businessperson Low Taek Jho as confirmed by the FBI agent.!

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    4. Ckp bohong lama2 mencuri.
      Najib slalu tipu sbb tu najib mencuri.
      Ikut pepatah melayu

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  7. Anything from the sources of authority personals is not fake news.
    We see mans in authority around the world's (not in Malaysia)sustain to create fake news to legitimize their action ,on others or other country .

    In Malaysia ,I think it's better for the government to take action against fake product's ,so the people could benefit from it.

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  8. Anonymous@ 27 March 2018 at 20:17,

    //I'm still wondering on what visa is Jho Low out of the country//

    If I am not mistaken, you don't need a visa to leave the country.

    For example, if you get into a sampan in Kuantan and start rowing into the Sth China Sea, you will eventually get to a point where you leave the jurisdiction of the Malaysian legal system.

    Of cos, this is assuming you don't give a shit about China's claim to the Sth China Sea, which I don't :)

    So, there you are, in international waters, in your sampan, and no visa, just like Fei Chai.

    You can stay out in international waters as long as you like or until your ikan masin supplies run out - no visa required.

    Of cos, you could go back to Kuanran for more supplies or the occassional nasi lemak before rowing back out again.

    You can do that as many times as you like, just carry your IC with you as per normal, OK?

    No visa needed for Malaysian citizens in Malaysian waters.

    Or you could decide to row to Sth Korea, for example, but pls keep to international waters and you will not need permission from anybody.... until you enter Korean waters.

    Once you enter Korean waters, then it gets messy.

    Are we talking Nth Korea or Sth Korea? :)

    Different entry visa reqmts for different countries, I think.

    I could go on and on but I hope you get the general picture.

    I am not a lawyer so if anybody wants to, pls feel free to correct me.

    Gladiator

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  9. tebing tinggi,

    //Anything from the sources of authority personals is not fake news.// 

    Ah, so no money is missing from 1MDB and all those other countries are sending people to jail for no reason.

    And that RM400million seized by the Swiss authorities are actually fines??

    Manyak pilik lor but as you say, must be true.

    OK.

    And it is perfectly OK for the head of CID(?) to sell his house in Shah Alam for AUD$290K and bank AUD$320K, in 54 small amounts, in Australia AND then perfectly fine for the policeman to refuse to claim the AUD$320K seized by the Australian authorities.

    OK, got it :)

    Gladiator

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  10. Dah NST,BH,TV3,UTUSAN dia kontrol, skang dah ada anti fake ni tak berani international news agencies kuarkan berita. Yg real news jadi fake. Mana yg dia tak suka kuncu2 akan kuar statement , this is fake. So how ah media malaysia mau keleje.Dah dekat PRU buat camni. Dia guna guna WADAM ( wanita adam )tu. Baru2 ni gertak felda settlers. I say , not all settlers yg akan undi BN oi. By doing this rakyat takkan pangkah korang. MO1 dah kecut teloq dan takut dgn bayang2 sendiri. Definitely aku tak undi BN kalini..

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  11. Sikalang itu halga ikan kembong manyak naik maa aa ,sampai RM 35.00 satu kilo lor rr .

    Solly maa aa (fake news) ,tapi betut-betut punya sutak manyak mahal lor rr , Wa sikalang pon sutak belani makan itu kembong ikan lagi lea aa .

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  12. yes, mr hillbilly. they can control d truth but in essence we who control them.lets put them in situation they rarely find themselves in...begging for our mercies. but wait, dun pity them..or we may not teach how arrogant we can be too.

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  13. Deputy Home Minister Nur Jazlan Mohamed announced that the Cathay Pacific rebooking fees waiver was intended to effect “regime change” in Malaysia.

    Would that qualify as 'fake news?'

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    1. Fake news I'm not so sure but it's definitely slander. Makin teruk dah Nur Jazlan ni, dah masuk level Mat Maslan.
      Adake tanya kenapa x offer waiver masa cuti perayaan???!! Nur Jazlan ooi, cuti perayaan dari awal tahun dah tahu, election date ni macam rahsia harta karun. Najib pun x tahu!

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  14. On Tuesday, someone sent a message via WhatsApp that petrol price would shoot up on Wednesday, and I immediately saw people rushing to the petrol stations. Lucky I did not follow suit. The next day, someone said, "kena tipu". So, did the person intentionally do this to show the false essentiality of fake news legislation?

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  15. In 26 Jul 2016, Umno vice-chief Khairul Azwan Harun filed a police report against former Bank Negara governor Zeti Akthar Aziz, outgoing Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) chief Abu Kasim Mohamed and ex-attorney-general Abdul Gani Patail, alleging that they are involved in a conspiracy to topple Prime Minister Najib. In the end the report was dismissed.

    Isn't that more damaging than fake news? What do the 3 victims of this malicious action have to redress this injustice?

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  16. Tentera2 najib tgh menggelupor. Terlalu takut dgn bayang2, nampak bayang2 je dah menyalak riuh sekampung. Jgn lupa, satu hari senjata akan makan tuan. Saya percaya, undang2 yg bakal digunakan utk menyekat lawan suatu hari akan jadi jerat yg menjerut leher mereka sendiri. Insyaalah.

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  17. I digress a bit from this fake news thingy, not that I don't care about it. I just think it's all crap nonsense cooked up by bn.
    I just want to say this. Way back when GE13 got done with, that guy who calls himself the pm of this nation asked, "what more does the chinese want?" The moment he asked that, I told myself that if a supposed leader can ask that, then he isn't fit to be our leader.

    And through the passage of time, he has proven himself to be just that, a totally unfit person to lead the country!

    But the best part is, now he's being called a thief internationally.

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