I wrote -
I also didn't get excited when Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad met the Yang DiPertuan Agong to submit the Citizens Declaration demanding the resignation of PM DS Najib Razak.
What can the Agong do anyway?
And this is the latest on it -
Agong Doesn't Interfere In Issues Raised By PPBM - Najib
KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 21 (Bernama) -- Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Abdul Halim Mu'adzam Shah had explained to Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad that he could not interfere in the efforts made by Parti Pribumi Bersatu Malaysia (PPBM).
The Prime Minister said he had been informed by the Yang di-Pertuan Agong about the audience granted by the King to Tun Dr Mahathir, who is also PPBM chairman, at Istana Anak Bukit, Alor Setar, last week.
"At the meeting, the King had taken note of the issues raised by Tun Dr Mahathir. However, the Yang di-Pertuan Agong also explained to Tun Dr Mahathir that he could not interfere in the efforts made by PPBM," he said in a statement today.
Najib said that this was because the declaration made by PPBM did not comply with the constitution and any action should be taken according to the normal practice which was through the Parliament and the election system for the people to make a decision.
-- BERNAMA
Well, I have been advocating for everyone to calm down and wait for the general election from the start of the whole thing.
If you want to see Najib ousted so much, just vote BN out at the polls.
That should be the only way.
No need to waste so much time and energy on the other things.
People actually need the time and energy to work and make their lives better.
You all know lah these days, everyone complaining about how hard life is.
If that's really the case, then I think everyone should work harder instead of being pre-occupied with things that they can't do nothing about.
Ya, everyone should just do things better instead of merely bitching.
If you are a student, study harder and get good grades so that your PTPTN loan can be converted to scholarship.
That's better than just whining about the perceived hardship and following around creepy people like Hishamuddin Rais at anti-government rallies.
Honestly, if I'm the Agong, I would throw away the Citizens Declaration just because there's the creep's signature on it.
"Sorry, Che Det. I actually can kick out Najib but I'm not going to do that just because you gang up with such a creepy guy," I would have told Dr Mahathir.
Hey, just look at the guy, okay. He's plain creepy and I think all young and old handsome men should stay away from this Mcoba boy.
Meanwhile, on another matter, the
AG gets leave for contempt proceedings against Guan Eng
I think they are really going to get him this time.
Or at least they can make him shut up for a while.
I know from a friend in his camp that those close with Guan Eng were worried about him.
So, all that were not just for show.
Guan Eng can actually ends up in jail again.
On yet another matter, last night I got a message from a friend asking me who is the MB meant by RPK in this story of his,
Menteri Besar blackmailed by Mahathir
Of course I know who is the MB meant by RPK.
It's an old story, actually.
But I told my friend not to bother himself with such stories.
I'm not a big fan of that MB, but to float such an accusation against him, in my opinion was not fair.
And RPK did another posting about him just now as I'm writing this,
The faggot Menteri Besar under Mahathir’s thumb
Guess someone really wants that MB to be thrown out.
Well, this is all very sordid.
How I wish that Malaysian politics is more matured.
Oh by the way, if I'm not mistaken RPK is also a Mcoba boy while the said MB is not.
Easy for you to say la Annie..and that is why u are not Mahathir. He is not just gonna seat back and relax till PRU like u. He cares..
ReplyDeleteAnd that is the reason why he is loved by many Malaysian.
Respect to Dr M, la. Still trying to kill off the Bugis cancer on M'sia, even if he's 91 yo. Thats a dedicated doc!
DeleteMahathir knew he can't do much anymore than what he already has dome to have najib removed. And he knew too najib will not leave. Mahathir haa said if all fail, wait for next PRU. He is under no pressure but he is putting pressute on najib & umno. Mahathir already got what he needs to do this (pressure najib & umno). He already kembangkan layar dan naikkan (bukan labuhkkan) sauh. The wind is blowing in the right direction now and Mahathir is already sailing.
DeleteKalau nak tunggu najib bubar parlimen..entah bila. So Mahathir is keeping the heat. He must continue to burn the charcoal. So that come the day parliament is dissolved, the minds of voter would already have been made aware and clear about what he has been doing having pack with opposition. This needs lots of convincing and explaining especially true among Malays. He know the voters' psychology well. He couldn't win 5 PRU if he hasn't learned well what is in the voters head.
I am not a big fan of Dr.Mahathir but we all got to give it to him. He is the "real" Anugerah to Malaysia. I think all he wants now (at 91 !) is to at least bring Malaysia back where he left off. All these talk about putting Mukhriz into position to be future PM may not be what drive him. Mukhriz as we can see is not PM material unless he has the ability to transform himself which is unlikely.
Mahathir cares so much for the country and its people. That's right.
Well said bto
DeleteThumbs up
Spot on Annie!. Those who want to topple Najib have plenty of opportunity to do so. But it has to be done democratically, meaning during GE. They are free to tick as many rockets as they wish. They can also thrash all BN candidates by voting them down. After winning then they can appoint someone like LKS or Tony Pua or Charles Santiago or Theresa Kok to become No. 1. Unlike Chief Ministers of some states, the only requirement to become a PM is winning the election.
ReplyDelete'the only requirement to become a PM is winning the election', ya, plus marrying a fat greedy woman who likes shopping too much with the rakyat's money? Rite?
DeleteYou are being emotional. What is wrong with LKS or Theresa Kok or Tony Pua or P Ramasamy becoming the next PM? Saying "NO" means downgrading their standards and talents. Also no point for DAP to contest if they do not aspire to rule.
DeleteHow you define standards and talents sdr Blue?
DeleteBlue,
Delete//But it has to be done democratically, meaning during GE. They are free to tick as many rockets as they wish.//
It's not as simple as that.
There is the small matter of the Electoral Commission and their re-drawing of electoral boundaries.
Of course, the EC would claim that the re-delineation has nothing to do with keeping you-know-who in power.
So, do you think it is still democratic?
Gladiator
DeletePoor choices, instead evangelist reverend YB Donald Nga is best choice kan(?) Sdr Blue
who is duit Raya vocal, so really no shortage of not so quiet DAP candidates
Great at controlling those other peoples practices
( same parish as Donald Trump kut? Donald duck?)
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
M Zin,
DeleteNeither an evangelist nor a hindu priest nor a buddha toaist nor an agnostic matters. They can also VSS selected civil servants and replace them with SJKC qualifications. But in order to do this they must first kick the PM and his cronies out from Puterajaya. Simple!
To 17:55,
DeleteStandards are those who're fluent in multiple foreign dialects by smattering in BM. The same with talents.
Bro M Zin, read your comment bro.
DeleteDon't make sense
DeleteFair enough, some not follow satire about DAP evangelist politicians Sdr Zamri
wanting to save souls
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
"Donald Nga is best choice kan(?) Sdr Blue
Deletewho is duit Raya vocal, so really no shortage of not so quiet DAP candidates. Great at controlling those other peoples practice ssame parish as Donald Trump kut? Donald duck?"
HAH? x faham langsung, nih bahase omputih ke bahase ape?
Ko merepek ape nih, oi Mangkuk Zina bin Kentut al-Isapkote? Mabuk ketum ke?
Errr, Zin, I think it's because people can't understand your atrocious English, actually.
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DeleteFair enough I don't appreciate YB Teresas CNY tradition(?) parodies either, Sdr ANON 15:09
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
You have a pretty low IQ Zin. It's not about your parodies, it's about your terrible writing skills.
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DeleteTQ for your concern about our relative IQs and that you read my writing, Sdr ANON 19:57
Happy also if you just ignore and if comment, nauzubi 'Llah not vulger like some
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Re:If you want to see Najib ousted so much, just vote BN out at the polls.
ReplyDeleteBN can still continue to govern the country. Just don't vote Najib at Pekan. He almost lost Pekan in the late 90's PRU. He can be voted out in the next PRU.
Pekan gets the best quality dedak!
DeleteAnnie,
ReplyDeleteI am actually beginning to doubt whether Ustazah Blobby bte Porkfat (the Founder of Umno, Mursyidul Am of PAS, Saviour Of The Malays, Malaysiakini communist, and fat, ugly "char siew pau" chomper of the century) really graduated from al-Azhar at all.
Her basic theology is unsound.
Quote from her stunningly popular latest post (3 comments in total, 1 being from Blobs herself:)
"It is the Dapsters, including Melayu DAP/Malay fraudsters, who tell lies all the time. If only hudud could be implemented to cut off their lying tongues."
Is the tongue ever cut off under hudud?
Sure or not, fatty?
https://ms-my.facebook.com/notes/syahirulcom/nota-mudah-memahami-hukum-hudud/445537942148184/
Nope.
Or you think you can just invent it as you go along?
Fail, Blobby. Major fail.
I think when you cut and paste your calls for "pelpalooan ummar", people just wonder why a fat Cinapek opportunist like you even deserves a hearing.
Definitely not because you know what you're talking about.
ha ha si betina cina tu nak jadi pensyarah kat IIU kut?...........kih kih kih
Deletemdzfrs,
Delete//Is the tongue ever cut off under hudud?//
It is all part of planting the seeds of violence in people's minds using Islam as the wedge to get in.
Gladiator
This woman don't know anything yet thinks she is expert on Malay and Islam
DeleteVery weird
Can't blame Tun for trying. At least he made his point. The Rulers themselves issued a statement on 1MDB. I'm sure Tun updated the YDPA quite a lot in that 75-minute chat.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's quite rich for the Bugis pondan, an internationally disgraced thief, to start whining about respecting the law.
Now, here's a theology question for Ms. PorkFat.
Here's your paymaster, lying through his shiny pink lips, 2 days after the WSJ's first report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi--3fXHgv4
So he's denying he ever received any money in his personal accounts. This is because his overpaid advisers panicked and told him that bare denial was the best strategy. (They then went through at least 41 conflicting lies, and Pinklips appeared on TV3 just months later, no longer even bothering to deny that the money had been in his account, and spinning his now disproved theory about the fake Sheikh. Serious case of kantoi.)
That's video evidence, Fatty. Go full screen, knock yourself out.
Here's what Islam says about liars:
http://islamiwiki.blogspot.my/2012/03/bahaya-berbohong-dan-hukumnya-dalam.html
Of course you learned all this well before your Master's Degree at al-Azhar, right Blobby?
So how lah, Blobby? Lu mahu pepalooan ummar sama olang ini macam kaaaa? Lu gila kaaaa? Lu adak ota kaaaaa? Tala pun.
What happened to lufang?
DeleteWow, that video! Bloody lying bastard. Forget about int'l disgrace, he's a disgrace to humanity! Sheesh.
DeleteSEMAH: Rakyat2 bodoh tu tak penting, kasi BR1M dah cukup, tapi mesti mau ambik balik guna GST. Yg penting sebelum PRU14 duit kita dah capai target I ok.. Faham tak? At least dlm Asia I mahu title yg paling kaya..faham tak?
DeleteJIBBY: Ok ok I faham, boss!
DeleteRakyat bukan bodoh memilih Sdr ANON 12:00
rasanya orang gelabah menghina tu lah
Lets respect differences in conviction without insulting, boleh?
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
"Lets respect differences in conviction without insulting, boleh?" Really. Never seen you following your own advice. Why's that?
DeleteSorry, but I don't believe anything Najib says these days anymore, what more his statement speaking on behalf of Agong.
ReplyDeleteNajb has lied and lied again, robbed the country blind and let's not get started on his wife...
Any other leader except Najib. Ugh!
Jangan risau rakyat Malaysia...semua ni adalah rekaan cerita bagi memastikan orang orang melayu di nilai tahap kepintaran mereka berdasarkan beberapa aspek jati diri...sebab Najib adalah seorang yg paling berkuasa sekarang ...undang undang dan perlembagaan di raja di genggam erat oleh tangan Najib yg berkuasa...ingat ya Najib ada berbillion....seceput duit & dedak dari Najib boleh mencairkan otak otak orang Malaysia...
DeleteMe too.
DeleteI've no trust in him, whatsoever, after... Deepak Carpet and knowing that he and his wife was very close to Jho Low, all along since TIA, when he was still DPM.
And now... everybody 'close' to him, including UMNO's politicians, Auditor/Attorney General, Police Chief, Bank Negara and MACC... are 'afraid' of Jho Low.
If the WSJ is right (haven't been wrong so far), this may be a Rosmah-Jho operation. The fact that Riza benefited so heavily is a big clue. I think Najib mainly stole from SRC. Good "division of labour" among thieves.
DeleteDon't quote that obvious liar RPK, annie.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, jibby and gang are truly rattled by Tun M's latest move. Just look at the prepaid UMNO bloggers. Everyone, everyday just whacking Tun on any specious issue.
If Tun M wasn't effective and posing a true threat, there wouldn't be this concerted frenzy to demonize the Old Man.
After all, no one bothers to write about someone insignificant and useless. For example, how much have we read of Hishamuddin Hussein these days? Eh eh eh?
BTW, coward Jibby avoiding UN has just made Zahid into a budding statesman, meeting foreign leaders etc.
'For example, how much have we read of Hishamuddin Hussein these days?' Ya what happened to Hisham huh? Very quiet.
DeleteFighting with Geng Zahid lah
DeleteGeng Zahid konpom menang lah......hanco H20
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DeleteWhat a comparison DS Dr A Zahid(?) Sdr ANON 12:30
as next in line Jawa vs Yg Bhg TS Muhyiddin
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Ya, Geng Zahid will win. Sayonara Najib
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DeleteYes better DS Dr Ahmad than the former Timbalan, Sdr Zamri
and party President to displace(?) UMNO
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
What on earth are you trying to say, Zin? Your sentence structure is terrible.
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DeleteThat the DS is a better Jawa than TS Muhyiddin President of Bersatu, Sdr ANON 12:22
Of course many here violently disagree, thats OK
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Finally, a clear sentence!
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DeleteYou are alhamdyli 'Llah welcome, Sdr ANON 19:58
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
it just goes to show those so called boffin boys are totally inept, it takes a loud mouth fugitive blogger to tell them what they should be doing
ReplyDeletenow watch them take the cue
'boffin boys' tu patut enter Maharaja Lawak Mega 2017. Konpom menang....badut betul
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DeleteThe last laugh PRU14 kan(?) Sdr ANON 12:05
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Last laugh will have nothing to do with the quality of Najib's advisers. More with stolen dedak & gerrymandering, and the fact that he's filled all key positions with his corrupted barua. But the A-G is being laughed at globally. 7 countries (including the mighty Seychelles) know there's been misconduct, and this dedak-eater pretends to be blind. So 3rd World, LOL.
DeleteA-G is unofficial KBU lah bro!
DeleteKepada orang Melayu yang kuat sangat kutuk Tun Dr Mahathir tu, you are where you are today because of him. So jangan bodoh sombong marahkan dia. His policies for the Melayus helped your generation. Tapi, Najib's policies memang cannot help your kids' generation. What more even this generation. Tunggu je dan lihat. Even UMNO people have backup plans kat overseas siap with PRs.
ReplyDelete100% setuju bro
Delete
DeleteSilap yg teruk kutuk beliau bodoh tua tu bukan Melayu, Sdr 12:14
cuma jagoh DAP superfart Hew
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
WOIIIIII, Mangkuk Zina bin Kentut al-Nonokbusoq, jilake betul ler engko nih.......katas tu hang tulih:
Delete"Let's respect differences in conviction without insulting, boleh?"
HA HA HA, MUNAFIK betul ler engko nih. Mcm omputih kata 'say one things, do another things.".......pale toh hang ler, pi mampus!
M Zin,
DeletePM Najib sendiri kuat kutuk Tun Dr Mahathir sekarang. Tapi dulu bila dalam kabinet Tun, tak pulak dengar dia bantah apa-apa. Not even a squeak! Sekarang cakap Tun Dr Mahathir yang salah tak plan betul-betul sistem pengangkutan!
Nazri Aziz, Menteri Pelancongan tu pulak panggil Tun Dr Mahathir 'low class politician'. Tu pun satu, bila dalam kabinet Tun tak pulak berani cakap bukan-bukan. Cakap rekod Tun M teruk semasa jadi Perdana Menteri!
DAP ke orang-orang ni?!
Salleh Keruak pulak cam mana? Tuduh Tun Dr Mahathir bersubahat dengan agen luar untuk tumbangkan Negara!
Ingin saya ingatkan siapa yang TAKUT sekarang? Yang BACUL untuk keluar negara? Hanya berani pergi negara -negara di mana tiada siasatan terhadap 1MDB? Dulu bukan main sibuk private jet ke benua Europa dan Amerika Syarikat. Kali ni?
Jangan sentuh je soal politik negara. Hidup rakyat semakin dihimpit. Jangan soal pasal skim persaraan! Duit kita semakin kecil. RM50 tahun lepas boleh beli lebih barang dari RM50 tahun ini. Dan hanya akan bertambah teruk dengan keadaan ekonomi negara yang tidak menentu. Ada orang suruh kita jangan ambik pot dengan kisah pasal politik, kerja kuat je. Orang jenis ini memang tidak tahu betapa susahnya kerja 2-3 pekerjaan tetapi masih tidak cukup untuk hidup sara sekeluarga! Sebab tak de nadi rakyat langsung. Nak kerja 20 jam?! Masa untuk anak-anak pun tiada! Pengangkutan awam pun MAHAL! RUMAH MAHAL! Apa yang kerajaan buat?!
Lepas tu Kerajaan nak pulak berdolak dalih. Khazanah cakap sekarang kita orang HIGH INCOME. Kepala otak diaorang la. Untuk orang-orang UMNO yang high income. Dah masuk duit RM2.6bil tu, boleh la berjoli. Rakyat cam mana? High income tapi peruntukkan untuk MOH dan MOE dipotong!
Nak cakap Tun Dr Mahathir bertuah, lucky sebab masa dia ada duit Petronas untuk guna. Tak macam sekarang. Ya la...kalau takde benda jahanam 1MDB yang telan bunga RM7juta sehari tu, kalau harga minyak jatuh, ekonomi negara mundur, hati saya pun tak panas sangat tu. Sebab duit dah pinjam tapi apa benda yang 1MDB tu tunjuk? Cerita PM dan Bini berjoli lebih banyak dari projek yang aktif berjalan dengan wang 1MDB.
M Zin,
Ko benci sangat DAP tu tak salah. Tapi mengapa tak pulak suruh UMNO heret si budak gemuk bernama Jho Low tu balik? Heret pompuan sial Jasmine Loo. Jangan asyik DAP tak sudah-sudah. Cina babi sial tu patut diheret balik ke MAlaysia untuk muka pengadillan! Jangan asyik DAPig je pandai.
Ini marah rakyat.
Sdr 12.14
@ 22 September 2016 at 14:56,
DeleteTerbaekkkkk, bro. Respect.
DeleteMengapa membeci kan berdosa(?)Sdr 14:56
bahkan kami hormat parti DAP dan Bersatu
Saya hanya melapor ..
jangan mare ya?
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
M Zin,
DeleteFrom your comment @ 22 September 2016 at 12:38
//Lets respect differences in conviction without insulting, boleh?//
BUT....
From your comment @ 22 September 2016 at 12:42
//cuma jagoh DAP superfart Hew//
Wah!!
4 minutes difference between the two comments and you have already changed your mind about insults :)
Gladiator
"Kepada orang Melayu yang kuat sangat kutuk Tun Dr Mahathir tu, you are where you are today because of him. So jangan bodoh sombong marahkan dia."
DeleteKpd melayu2 yg x sedar diri......bacalah:
http://e-jakamas.blogspot.my/2013/01/sajak-tabik-che-det-untuk-tun-dr.html
DeleteFart tu insult ringan je, Sdr ANON Gladiator
berbanding video Superman Hew(?) ni yg mahu calon DAP Sarawak screw Melayu
dan YB Lim tonggang YAB Tun
What is your answer, and really should DAP be happy?
NB. Hes still a member
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Ha ha ya you really munafik lah saudara M Zin
DeleteSorry bro truth hurts
DeleteWhatever, namun sedih yang biar Cina menghina kita dan YAB Tun amat dayus, Sdr Zamri
( melawan bukan munafik)
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
"YAB Tun amat dayus" kimak engkau lah...yg dayus tu pondan Bugis yg kena dipijak muka oleh Mrs. 25 Million Shopping, yop.....ko nih bodoh kerbau lah m zin
DeleteYou are more slippery than a snake, Zin. never consistent. Some cybertrooper on Rosmah's payroll, eh?
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DeleteAmat dayus dikatakan ditonggang YB Lim, Sdr ABON 14:36
bahkan lebih lagi
(orang yg membenarkan yg dayus, bukan YAB OK?)
Teruskan nauzubi 'Llah menyumpah saya,
when you apparently lost the plot of YAB Tun being worst insulted.
Awak tak langsung membantah
macam setuju pulak?
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Ibn Kentut kata sedih pasal ada yang biar cina menghina "kita". "Kita" tu siapa kalau bukan bermaksud Melayu Islam ?
DeleteSungguhpun cina cohkia ada petua yang mengatakan bahawa orang lain hanya boleh bagi muka pada kau sedangkan malu itu engkau saja yang berupaya melakukan keatas diri mu sendiri.
Sehina hina cina cohkia dia hanya mampu tak sanjung engkau tak iktiraf ketuanan mu. Dia tak mampu nak malukan kamu. Yang muliakan engkau ketakwaan engkau pada Allah yang malukan engkau kelakuan dan perangai kamu .
Maka kemunafikan mu itu memalukan kamu . Kerakusan mu itu memalukan kamu . Mempertahankan seorang pencuri atas nama nak menegakkan kebenaran Islam itu merosakkan kaum dan agama kamu .
Melawan bukan munafik ? Engkau dan kaum engkau sering menghalalkan yang haram sebab nak capaikan matlamat kamu tulah menyebabkan non muslims memandang orang islam sebagai pariah .
DeletePariah tu Hindu, Sdr ANON 16:24
dan non-Muslim tu kapir
Kamu tak hormat Muslim
we note your position and in-sya-Allah vote accordingly GE14
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
"Pariah tu Hindu?"
DeleteNo, the word has several meanings, Zin.
I could say very correctly: "Zin is a "pariah" because other commenters here dislike him for his deep hypocrisy, and therefore he's an outcast."
By doing so, I would NOT be calling you a Hindu.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pariah
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pariah
Also, note that not all caste members of the Paraiyars are Hindu. They can be Buddhist or Christian, or anything else. There can be Muslim Paraiyars also.
You are mistaking a caste for a religion.
DeleteI am aware of the definations, Sdr ANON 20:O7
and kapir ANON 16:24 can continue to insult Muslims at non-Muslims peril
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Just shrug it off. The non-Muslims get trampled on by Muslims daily. Children snatched, dead bodies snatched, premises vandalised, or twit-king's brother can tell people to take down religious symbols. Which as I understand it, is not reflecting Islamic ideals?
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DeleteGo on insulting Muslims you kafir Sdr ANON 09:08
while more of your family in-sya-Allah convert
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
DeleteYet again, you are displaying the hypocrisy that is your trademark, Zin.
"Lets respect differences in conviction without insulting, boleh?"
I don't approve of insulting Muslims, and I have never done so. Nor do I condone insulting non-Muslims. If you think these actions are Islamic, many would disagree with you. There are enlightened Muslims around - many, in fact - but you are just not one of them. Simple. Thank you.
Delete"Non Muslims padang Muslim sebagai pariah" dan Muslim pandang non-Muslim sebagai kapir.
Thank you Sdr ANON 16:24
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Aiyo Annie.Saya mati2 ingat MB yang rpk sebut itu MB dari 4 negeri yang diwar-warkan akan berlaku pertukaran.Ingatkan MB negeri pantai timur yang perangai pelik macho semacam tu.Terlupa pulak kes lama MB jiran sebelah.
ReplyDeleteBukan MB negeri pantai timur, ler.......nah, aku bagi ko 'klue' sikit.........
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfskHtNPxE4
Hmmmmm, loghat negeri mana nih?........kih x 3......cuba teka ler
Negeri Sembilan?
DeleteRpk nasihat Najib buang MB tu.Tapi MB tu disokong kuat Dewa.Najib pasti takkan berani.Itu negeri kuasa Dewanya laun macam sikit.MB jadi pak angguk je.
DeleteIs it the Negeri Sembilan guy or Pahang?
DeleteI thot Pahang
Annie,MCOBA stands for excellence.Jangan la nak twist lebih2 plak hehe.Sekolah kat mana2 pun ada kes luar tabie macam tue.Kat sekolah pondok moden pun pernah berlaku,macam kes baru2 ni kat Perak.Jangan tergolong dalam kategori female chauvinist Annie.
DeleteSorry kalau mengguris perasaan anda,Tahu tak di negeri yang disebut RPK itu,341 tahun lalu lagi dah wujud orang yang menderita penyakit sedemikian menyebabkan golongan rakyat pada masa itu terpaksa melakukan sesuatu di luar adat melayu yang pantang menderhaka...Tak hairan kalau sejarah berulang
Annie do you think you sangat bersih ke berbanding dengan mcoba boys (?)
ReplyDeleteSebenarnya lebih kurang..
Cuma kebetulan berbeza kapal.
Sultan dan Raja Melayu adalah payong terakhir rakyat yang sepatutnya sedia mendengar apa sahaja termasuk yang tiada sempadan. Jika mereka terhad tidaklah perlu rakyat daulatkan mereka lagi.
Kenapa orang lain yang jumpa orang lain yang baca skrip dan tidak baginda sendiri atau Pegawai Sulitnya yang bertitah.
Bukankah pertemuan tersebut dibentangkan ke Majlis Raja-Raja dan sultan Melayu terlebih dahulu untuk dinilaikan keperluan.
Betul tu!
Delete"Sultan dan Raja Melayu adalah payong terakhir rakyat..."
DeleteSaya rasa... tidak lagi. Mereka pun ada kepentingan sendiri untuk dijaga. Peluang perniagaan juga mesti tidak boleh terhalang atau tertutup. Pasal itu mereka... ternampak seolah-olah menyebelahi 'Cash is King'.
Jika tidak... tanah-pusaka akan terjual, seperti apa yang berlaku disepanjang Selat Tebrau, dari Link Kedua. Biasa la orang-Melayu... jual tanah adalah jalan paling mudah dapat WANG. Sama lah dengan model bisness 1MDB, jual tanah-pusaka Rakyat.
Dimasa lalu, Singapura, Pulau Pinang... juga tergadai kerana WANG dan juga kerana kesinambungan Kuasa Kesultanan dijamin Penjajah. Hari ini... peranan Penjajah diambil-alih oleh Kerajaan.
DeleteDaulat Tuanku,
yang bertindak setakat di bawah Perlembagaan
namun telus kepada YAB Tun juga pihak kerajaan
Ada apa-apa nak sulit sangat?
Fasal Majlis Raja-raja cukup arif, Sdr 13:49
dan DYMM Sultan Johor pun sebelum in telah membuat kenyataan berkenaan YAB Tun, kan?
Cukuplah mengungkit kisah lama DYMM Raja-raja, Sdr RD
yang banyak berjasa mendapatkan Kemerdekaan
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Jangan buta-sejarah, Saudara M Zin.
DeleteBaginda Raja-Raja... pada mulanya... seolah-olah telah menyerahkan Tanah Melayu kepada Penjajah apabila bersetuju menurunkan tanda-tangan dalam perjanjian Malayan Union, 1946. UMNO lahir pun... disebabkan Malayan Union.
Rakyat tidak tahu mengapa Baginda sekalian tergamak berbuat demikian. Mungkin... ada sesuatu janji oleh Penjajah yang membuat Baginda sekalian rasa 'selesa'.
Maklumlah, suasana dunia ketika itu, terutamanya di India & Indonesia, sudah bertukar menjadi Republik.
Setelah Rakyat jelata... seluruh Semenanjung bangkit menentang Malayan Union, baru Baginda-Baginda sekalian tersedar bahawa kelangsungan Istana terletak ditangan Rakyat, bukan Penjajah. Di kuala Kangsar, Rakyat telah menyekat laluan Baginda Sultan Perak untuk naiki keretapi.
Nasib baik... suasana tegang Negara ketika itu telah menyebabkan Penjajah membatalkan hasrat mereka untuk menjadikan Semenanjung sebagai satu lagi tanah-jajahan mereka. Kalau tidak... mungkin kita akan jadi seperti Hong Kong atau Falkland. Rakyat-asing bebas, keluar-masuk, sesuka hati.
Saya bukan hanya mengungkit kisah lama, Saudara M Zin... hari ini pun benda yang sama, masih berlaku. Bezanya... Rakyat tak nampak kerana kerajaan merahsiakannya. Jual tanah dan assest kepada Negara Asing. Kalau tak jual pun... gadai untuk tebus hutang.
Contohnya... Bandar Malaysia... harap nama saja, Malaysia punya. Hakikatnya... 60% sudah milik-Asing.
DeleteYou may not appreciate it but without HRHs consent we could still be 9 Peninsula Sultanates
like Gulf Sultanates or Brunei absolute monarchy, of course with strong British presence
They still kept their personal wealth. After 1993 Constitutional amendmends though HRHs lost all immunity for personal misconduct, so you may in-sya-Allah sue them
Who is buta Sejarah?
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
You yg lari topik lah Sdr M Zin
Delete'Bandar Malaysia... harap nama saja, Malaysia punya. Hakikatnya... 60% sudah milik-Asing.'
Sdr RD is correct. No benefit to nation
Malay land sold cheap to China
You wait for East Coast Railway lagi teruk bro
DeleteAlaa with globalisation we've already bought whole chunks of Melbourne, Sdr Zamri
London and New York(?)
NB. Sejarah, only answering RD on Kesultanan
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
"bought whole chunks of Melbourne"
DeleteWell... please read Rocky's latest post, Saudara M Zin.
Maybe later.. we will know who are those few Malaysian. What about MARA's buying apartment-block... with kickback?
Why very quiet?
Zin, are you completely brainless?
Delete"...with globalisation we've already bought whole chunks of Melbourne, Sdr Zamri
London and New York(?)"
Not with stolen money from the rakyat (well, unless you count Riza's 55 million NY penthouse and Patrick Mahony's 6 million pounds home in London, all financed by Malaysian public funds.)
There's a big difference between "globalisation" and "theft", do you get it?
DeleteIt is a reality today, the huge untrackable cross-boundaries forex flows, Sdr ANON 15:19
Yes many Malaysians involved not only the ones you mentioned, and your argument of having a brain vs your suggestion that I may not
is not the subject of this thread
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
"It is a reality today, the huge untrackable cross-boundaries forex flows, Sdr ANON 15:19"
DeleteNo, the problem is it's all been traced in great detail. By 7 countries.
So you are trying to apologise for Riza now eh? Rosie paid you yet?
Exactly. Hence the DOJ suit.
DeleteThis is a bit funny. Compare the person standing in front with the mega-retouched image on the screen behind her:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.malaysiakini.com/news/356540
LOLOLOL!!!
My god, what a difference! This is just stupid level of vanity. People will laugh at you behind your back.
DeleteEgo dia dah kembang giler bro
DeleteDia dah kembang giler, bro!
Delete'Wasted effort'... Annie?
ReplyDeleteI don't think so.
If Dr.M had kept quiet, 1MDB's debt could be more than ~RM50 Billion and Jho Low could probably be the most influential individual amongst UMNO's top-leaders, Finance Ministry and Bank Negara.
Remember... when Najib, as Defense Minister, solicited dubious middleman to negotiate on behalf of the government's purchase of submarines... Dr.M had kept his mouth shut on Najib & Rosmah. Except Pak Lah's 4th.Floor, of-course.
When Altantuya was C4ed... still Dr.M kept his mouth shut on Najib & Rosmah.
As soon as Najib became PM, he established 1MDB with Jho Low and at the same time very 'close' to Deepak carpet.
Of-course, Dr.M had not known about Najib's close relation with Jho Low and Deepak, then... but he still don't say much about Najib's 1MDB.
Had he known then, that the setting-up of 1MDB was not discussed in the Cabinet, maybe he had made a lot of fuss about it.
Now that Dr.M had tried so hard to oust him... Najib would not dare to solicit more dubious middlemen for... UMNO's war-chest, wasting more of Rakyat's money to pay commission.
Sadly he had resorted to GST, most probably to pay for debts.
So... Dr.M's effort, cannot be a complete waste.
Very scary thing - Rosmah already knew Jho Low in 2016 (must be via Riza.) So they could have been conspiring from the start to steal money. In fact Sultan of Terengganu was very unhappy with the way TIA was done. So, now we know why.
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DeleteYes building up political war chest is universal, Sdr RD
and carried out by all before
and yes, the sad concern being how large the kickbacks
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
AKHIRNYA TERBONGKAR!! Tun Mahathir 2016 DEDAH Komplot Najib Razak Gadai Terengganu:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAcMyTrP5k
Saw that video before bro
DeleteThe TIA is con job from Day One
Thank you JIb for stealing our heritage
There you go again, Zin...
Delete"building up political war chest is universal"
Really? Maybe you can explain why Najib's fake donation letters from the "Saudi Prince" as the same wording exactly as the "gift letter" of the US$100 million to make Wolf Of Wall Street to Riza?
Run off crying to Kak Rosie and ask her how to answer such hard questions, alright?
DeleteFair lets look at all political parties, boleh(?) Sdr ANON 15:23
especially the newest like PAN who contested 13 Sarawak seats
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
You mean PAN stole 3.5 billion USD by setting up a fake company for 1MDB bonds? Really?
DeleteUmmmm, Zin:
Delete"Fair let's look at all political parties, boleh(?)" - you mean all political parties in Malaysia have siphoned cash from 1MDB and then told 42 lies about it?
Don't think so.
Annie,
ReplyDeleteVery worrying:
"KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 22 — Retirement Fund Incorporated (KWAP) has chosen Uber Technologies Inc as its first-ever foreign direct investment, the ride-sharing firm announced today.
This confirms reports yesterday that the civil service pension fund was planning to invest US$30 million into Uber as part of its foray abroad.
“We are excited to make Uber our first direct investment in a foreign company. This is part of our efforts to become a diversified global investor,” KWAP chief executive officer Datuk Wan Kamaruzaman Wan Ahmad said in the statement issued by Uber."
Why is KWAP going into Uner?
I have a friend who is a taxi driver who is quite active in their association in WP.
They sent so many memos by hand to SPAD & Transport Ministry about Uber/Grab. Later he found out that every single memo was trashed, because "ada orang dgn kabel" inside SPAD who was going to make $$$$$$.
Let's not forget that KWAP has never explained properly where the 4 billion it gave to SRC went.
Yes, SRC.
Let's not forget all this.
This Uber investment is very, very suspicious.
KWAP is a Rosie piggy bank (sorry for haram money receptacle!) just like Khazanah with the silly Tugu park project. Oh and TRX. What happened?
DeleteWhoevers in charge kat kwap kena tendang kluar O...secepat mungkin
DeleteTRX is an abandoned waste site. It's 4 years behind time, because the 1MDB bonds to finance it were stolen. Simple.
DeleteTheir website from 2013 says:
"Aabar Investments PJSC and Abu Dhabi investment arm will be investing significantly on Malaysia’s Tun Razak Exchange development. Around RM 3.5 billion foreign direct investment is projected..."
Well, we know how that ended.
Apa nak bisingx melalak...
ReplyDeleteI do not have enough evidences to implicate Najib....said TDM
So ,wait la until GE 14....then Najib is at Protuns disposal
Until such time....it is at adviceable for us to keep calm and carry on with our life
Any disturbance,riots,big demonstration that the rakyat cannot do as daily routines
I am proud to be a Malaysian inspite of all the bullshitting we can still live as multiracial country peacefully.Praised to GOD of what being bestowed to us Malaysians.Open our eyes see what happened to other countries esp Middle East Muslim countries....
DeleteYa alhamduli 'Llah syukur mikmat, Sdr ANON 19:22
Kalau baca komen sini orang Malaysia bijak, semua layak jadi Perdana Menteri
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
No lah M Zin, only you because are Munafik lah bro
DeleteYou & Pokjib sama species, pura2 baik hati tapi hati busuk
Can't hide it bro
DeleteBuruk, dan ada yang baik jadi jangan kufur nikmat Allah SWT, Sdr Zamri
even if you do not receive but net contributor to BR1M
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
What does BRIM have to do with anything?
Delete
DeleteYes maybe not specifically BR1M Sdr ANON 20:13
but it is tangible here compared to many other countries
( Sdr ANON 19:22s original comment)
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
'but it is tangible here compared to many other countries' but then few other countries don't have RM4 billion stolen from their coffers by their PM.
DeleteAnnie,
ReplyDeleteI was never a big fan of Hishammudin Rais.
As for RPK's articles?
Well, I read them just for entertainment value.
Occasionally, he does come up with some interesting expose from his deep-throats but that's about it.
I have no doubt that many of his deepthroats are PAS people.
I mean, who would you trust the most with sensitive info?
An upright pious person whose integrity is unimpeachable. A person who never misses his prayer sessions no matter what.
Except that such a person is probably a PAS supporter.
You will notice that ever since Azmin Ali has allied himself with PAS in the Selangor Exco, RPK no longer whacks Azmin.
If I was Azmin Ali, would be very cautious about the people he has around him :)
Gladiator
"Of course I know who is the MB meant by RPK"
ReplyDeleteRPK hinted that the state in question has over 50 STATE seats of which DAP, PKR and PAS won close to 20 seats in the last GE.
Well, I did a search of the 2013 election results and found only a few states with over 50 STATE seats then looked at the total STATE seats won by DAP, PKR and PAS and it became pretty obvious which Menteri Besar RPK was alluding to.
Well, I'll just watch and wait to see whether the proverbial scheiss hits the fan and whether the move is by the Mahathir side or the Najib side.
However, I do agree with you that there are better things we can do than to get caught up with this battle between latter-day feudal warlords behind a facade of Westminster-style representative democracy
.
Choose lesser of evils bro. Nothing is perfect
Delete"battle between latter-day feudal warlords behind a facade of Westminster-style representative democracy", well I'd say the democracy is dead. And between the latter-day feudal warlords, at least one of them wasn't stupid enough to allow a fat, bumbling Chinese errand boy make him an international disgrace. Pretty dumb warlord, huh?
DeleteKami tak mau tau siapa MB itu.Yang kami nak tau ialah siapa dia puteri umno bajet lawa yang merungut tu!Halimah atau Noraini?haha
DeleteHalimah kut...
DeleteJust stop being dastardly like RPK or creepy like Rais. Goodness doesn't belong to you, you just chose it over evil.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.ted.com/talks/elizabeth_gilbert_on_genius?language=en
Right way to go......
ReplyDeleteSHAH ALAM: Parti Pribumi Bersatu Malaysia (PPBM) wants all Opposition parties to contest the next General Election (GE14) as a coalition, under one banner and one logo.
PPBM Vice-President Mukhriz Mahathir said this will allow a straight fight against Barisan Nasional (BN), which would avoid a split in votes among opposition supporters.
The new coalition’s name, he suggested, can be Barisan Rakyat (BR) and this will be discussed soon.
“BR versus BN. It’s important for us to ensure a straight fight against BN.
“We can have all the opposition parties under one coalition, just how BN has 14 component parties under it,” he said at a dialogue session held here last night.
Delete" Yes spojen to and TGHA(?) totally committed"
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
TGHA...totally committed... Saudara M Zin.
DeleteWith RM90 million... of-course, the leader a weaken party... after many of its ADUN & MP jumped-ship into Amanah... would be very committed to his paymaster.
There is a famous saying... No Money, No Religion. That's what happened in the Middle-East. It all boils down to power and $$$.
DeleteYes PMO spin vs some accept SR as the Gospel truth(?) Sdr RD
but OK respect your beliefs
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Tapi pelik.....EC redelination, PAS yg rugi maksimum kat S'gor...Jibbi main kotoq O
DeleteGospel truth... Kalau tak saman... maka terbukti dakwaan itu benar.
DeleteKalau betol, fitnah... inilah peluang terbaik UMNO-Najib & Haji Hadi-PAS. saman SR. Claim tuntut-malu dan teladan... beratus-juta USD, sehingga SR bankrupt, terus tutup kedai. Gerenti, berduyun-duyun Melayu akan kembali menyokong UMNO, Najib dan PAS. Secara otomatik, Ukhuwah sesama. Tak perlu 'takut' lagi pada Tun, DAP atau Bersatu.
Disamping itu, UMNO-Najib & PAS boleh bagi-bagi WANG tuntutan itu, 50/50.
Apa yang bodoh sangat, tak saman. Melainkan... yang di laporkan adalah benar. Maklumlah... ramai pengkhianat dalam PMO, Penasihat & Consultant, CEO The Star... dll.
Mat Salleh kaki-mabuk & gemar berparty-liar dengan anak-Melayu... pun Najib percaya untuk memberi nasihat kepadanya.
Di KBS pun ada Pol-sec yang menyokong DAP.
Dia lebih suka yang setia dari yang cerdik. Kesetiaan boleh dibuat-buat. Akhirnya... hanya kaki-bodek & penjilat yang pandai berlakon berada dikelilingnya. Disinilah, pengintip atau pengkhianat senang cilok untuk korek rahsia.
There you come again Zin, your Islamist tail protruding out again ...
Delete
DeletePAS without split votes to distracting PKR(?) likely to win more, Sdr ANIN 14:30
and in-sya-Allah most likely to nominate an MB to HRH Sultan
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
'PAS without split votes to distracting PKR(?) likely to win more, Sdr ANIN 14:30'
Deletex faham, sorry.
DeletePKR cannot expect PAS grassroot votes, Sdr 19:33
( unlike GE13)
and will fade come GE14
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
In this episode china jugak hero. Sampai arini protected. Sampai bila nak bodohkan. JLo bodohkan kita semua.
ReplyDelete
DeleteJuga lebih terang2 Superfart Hew(?) Sdr M Sufian
lebih membodohkan termasuk YAB Tun bahkan lebih lagi
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
Jibbi & Jho Low bersekongkol membodohkan rakyat.
DeleteM Zin,
ReplyDelete//Fart tu insult ringan je//
Ah, I see, this is like being "just a little pregnant"?
//berbanding video Superman Hew(?) ni yg mahu calon DAP Sarawak screw Melayu//
Aiyoh, and you were so deeply hurt?
Why do you pay attention to the babbling of idiots?
Anyway, why are you so concerned about DAP Sarawak screwing Melayu when there are so many cases of Melayu screwing Melayu?
Or when Melayu screw Cina? is that OK?
You don't mind selective screwing?
Gladiator
DeleteI am just reporting the recent insults Sdr Gladiator
while Chinese what so sensitive(?) about just one Dr Tee or that Malay Minister
About screwing we can badly hurt each other, yeah come on if you want. Gladiator my foot!
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
'Why do you pay attention to the babbling of idiots?'....because Zin is one himself.
Delete
DeleteYeah no need you to respond to YAB Tun the best idiot ride(?) Sdr 09:02
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
M Zin,
Delete//I am just reporting the recent insults//
So, it is now "reporting" insults, is it?
And I thought that "superfart" was your own "insult ringan".
Is the following another "insult ringan" of yours?
//@ 23 September 2016 at 18:28
Pariah tu Hindu//
Or were you just reporting again?
BTW, I can almost hear you saying "Celaka Cinababi ni" about me. Heheheheh!!
//while Chinese what so sensitive(?) about just one Dr Tee//
I wasn't interested in why the Chinese were so sensitive about Dr Tee.
For all I know, maybe those Chinese are just as dumb as those Melayus who are sensitive about the blabbering of idiots?
But let's not change the subject.
I was interested in why YOU were so sensitive because you seem to portray yourself as an intelligent person who wants to have a leading opinion.
//About screwing we can badly hurt each other, yeah come on if you want.//
Is this how you react to criticism of your views?
You want to fight me? Hahahahahah!!
Please! I scare very easily :)
And this business of hurting each other by screwing each other?
Aiyoh, haram lah for two guys to screw each other, OK?
Plus I am not gay so you are right that I could get hurt because any anal sex would probably hurt my very virgin anus, although I am told a very small penis will not hurt me.
But, very small penis or not, please lah, don't screw me, OK?
As you have probably worked out by now, my sense of humour is probably quite different from yours.
I have been told I have a wicked sense of humour. I am not sure what that means.
Maybe some psychologist here could provide an expert opinion on how a person's sense of humour can make or break friends but I am not a psychologist.
I think I am just the "psycho" in "psychologist" :)
Gladiator
P.S. You need to lighten up and join in the conversation.
I don't think there is any need to talk tough or act tough.
I like a bit of fun, and I am not completely serious about any of the bad things I say about you or PAS, OK?
"Yeah no need you to respond to YAB Tun the best idiot ride(?)"
DeleteWhat on earth are you trying to say?
DeleteLately a bit much from DAP despite denials, Sdr Gladiator
from YB Jeff on a widely respected ulama which he can twist and turn in denial
Anyway no excuse for my reply
vs your most polite reply
( compared to other unschooled sounding vulgars)
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
M Zin,
Delete//from YB Jeff on a widely respected ulama//
My view is that Haron Din is respected widely mainly within PAS.
Outside of PAS, I do not believe Haron Din commands the same respect as that which Nik Aziz had and still has.
IMHO, Haron Din's senior position in PAS makes him a public figure and hence he is open to criticism even if he is deceased.
Does it mean that I cannot criticise Adolph Hitler, or Josef Stalin, or Kim Il-Sung just because they are dead?
I believe that criticism is a necessary part of the learning process.
Without criticism, how would we know what we need to improve?
//Anyway no excuse for my reply//
Knowledge is power.
//compared to other unschooled sounding vulgars//
I am sometimes surprised by what I learn from "other unschooled sounding vulgars".
As I consider myself to be "unschooled" and "vulgar" in many many areas, I am not too proud to listen to criticism from others who may be "unschooled and vulgar".
I feel that they have a right to criticise me even if I may believe such criticism to be unjustified.
The way I see it, it is not their fault for unjustly criticising me, but rather, it is my fault for not being able clever enough to convey my points across in a simple enough way for them to understand me.
Incidentally, no race, religion or politics was used or deemed necessary in any of my above views.
Just in case anybody thinks I have some hidden agenda :)
Gladiator
ReplyDeleteNo problem criticising but in any culture, absolutely no class in insulting others dead Sdr Gladiator
that he what contributes more being dead(?)
( Nauzubi 'Llah comparison to Hitler?)
Please check with your Muslim neighbours that Allahyarham Dr is respected more as a soft spoken academic and thinker on Islam. He is apparently but a relucted politician thats highly regarded by most Muslims including UMNO and DS Mohd Najib personally
You may not appreciate it but this insult is pushing many Muslims to abandon DAP and Pakatan
M Zin
Alor Gajah DPH
M Zin,
ReplyDelete//absolutely no class in insulting others dead//
Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, Kim Il-Sung were fucking idiots who screwed the countries they governed.
There, I have insulted the dead, so I have no class. :)
Why can't I insult a dead well-known person whom I feel has not helped society progress at all in his life time?
What if that dead person has done nothing but encourage hate towards others during his life time?
Gosh, if I could, I'd find his grave and piss on it.
Note, I am not talking about Haron Din here, OK? That is why I gave the examples of Hitler, Stalin and Kim.
//Please check with your Muslim neighbours//
See what I mean about Haron Din being known and respected only by mainly PAS people?
Why can't I ask my cousin who sells dragon fruit by the side of the road? He knows who Nik Aziz was and has great respect for Nik Aziz!
//You may not appreciate it but this insult is pushing many Muslims to abandon DAP and Pakatan//
Honestly, I think the only Muslims bothered by the Haron Din debacle are those in PAS.
UMNO Muslims are more interested in PPBM.
PAN Muslims have nowhere to go.
PKR Muslims have already made their decision to stand by Azmin Ali and Anwar Ibrahim.
Muslims in Malaysia have many choices BEFORE they even think of joining DAP.
Gladiator