Saturday 26 September 2015

Wan Dal Cha answers Salleh Said Keruak on Dr Mahathir

Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad had the other day wrote again about

NAJIB 

The elderly statesman basically repeated his allegations against PM DS Najib Razak and I assumed he did so with the intention of laying them down as simple as possible to make it easy for ordinary folks to understand why he is now against his once protege.

Information Minister DS Salleh Said Keruak whom I guess now is the chief defender of the prime minister dutifully answered to Dr Mahathir's assertions in his own posting,

The fallacy of who made Najib the PM 

Honestly, I didn't read Salleh's posting, even after I put the above link here.

Reading people whacking Dr Mahathir gives me heart-ache. So, nowadays I rather avoid reading such posts.

I assumed that Salleh was whacking the old man because I received the following from my old friend Wan Dal Cha which I'm publishing here in full because I believe it was actually meant for Salleh;

Salleh Said Keruak is widely seen as a political heretic for his attacks on Tun Mahathir. 

He lacks a history of putting out arguments in high-visibility setting. 

Dr Mahathir started young. 

After the Merger-Separation episode when he clashed with Lee Kuan Yew in Parliament, he authored a defining book. 

Salleh Said Keruak by comparison has never been seen as a thorough, articulate thinker.

By the time he made it as CM of Sabah under the rotation system, a notion had been conceived. 

That  he was too eager to please Anwar Ibrahim when the PKR de facto leader was DPM.

Many years on, Salleh Said Keruak is throwing desperate, callous punches way below his intellectual weight.

This is not an indictment against Salleh Said Keruak though. 

He has demonstrated courage. 

He has started writing and arguing rather inelegantly. 

Umno has not nurtured too many thoughtful personalities. 

This is the very culture that has foisted on the nation the likes of Jamal Sg Besar, Noh Omar, and Tengku Adnan. 

They have made their names by being thuggish, sadly so.

Our advice to Salleh Said Keruak is to train his words and energy at compatible targets. 

He should keep going.

To start with this new opposition alliance is bent on installing Anwar Ibrahim as their prime ministerial candidate.

They have loudly and undemocratically argued that the moment they clinch power, they will junta-style break the prison and make Anwar Ibrahim prime minister.

That is a more menacing assault on democracy and justice than the ongoing political conversation we are  having. 

Dr Mahathir has asked some questions. 

Answer them. 

Don't vilify him and his legacy, Salleh Said Keruak.

63 comments:

  1. Hahaha, the "new opposition alliance is bent on installing Anwar Ibrahim as their prime ministerial candidate" ...

    But a comment in the Opposition blog Free Malaysia Today with the heading "An immature democracy ruled by old men" says

    Pakatan Harapan should rethink its decision to nominate Anwar Ibrahim as its sole candidate for Prime Minister.

    They should emphasize the "old man" aspect. He'll be about 70 when out of jail.

    But Tun Dr Mahathir can be PM even after 90 years old. Double standard? No. Anwar simply has no standard, made terribly worse by no youth.

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    1. Anwar has for many years been setting standards in proximating the rears of the youthful.

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  2. Interesting name Wan Dal Cha, Annie. If the edible kind, it's good with roti bom. You do have friends with all kinds of names. don't you. I know Kulop (previous post) is not included.

    But Keruak of Said Salleh Keruak is also not a common name. And his blog writing is not usual. Is he using his blog to disseminate information in defence of Najib. Sad if so. When he could use all the resources of the former Information Ministry - Dept of Information, Bernama, Finas, etc, etc.

    So, loyalty more important than capability as far as Mr Cash Is King is concerned? How to get his image and that of the Government improve? And how to improve the political situation and improve the economy with foreign investments inflow and stabilizing the Ringgit?

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  3. Dear annie, you are not alone, we also don't read rubbish from Salleh Said Keruak. Half past six stuff!

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  4. In his blog, Salleh Said Keruak talked about people in the US saying "'If I can hire, then I can fire'. Actually this is not true and is a fallacy. Dr Mahathir is not Najib's boss or employer who can just sack him as he pleases," he said.

    Alamak, he could - and should - use the time and blog space to explain and explain 1MDB, RM2.6 billion, GST etc. How shallow can he be.

    Maybe the problem for everybody in Najib's camp is that they cannot get the facts to use to explain. How to get facts? When up to now Najib only said, "I never use money for personal gain" and nothing more as far as the RM2.6 billion is concerned.

    Najib has not even admitted directly and specifically that he did receive the money in his personal bank accounts. We only learnt from the now-abandoned Special Task Force that the humongous sum went into bank accounts under his name.

    So, what Tun Dr Mahathir said of Najib on those are valid. The rakyat do want to know. If Najib cannot answer, he should resign. Or UMNO should replace him.

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    1. Grandma's Stories.

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    2. 121, you must have a lousy grandma. She should have told you to explain when you disagree. Your ma also no told you that arr?

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    3. Voters, not Dr M, made Najib PM.

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  5. I would like to differ from the above analysis. First of all, we should be reading his arguments based on the current situation. Looking at the man's background helps in a limited way of knowing his personality and his line of thinking. Cat Steven @ Yusuf Islam is a well known personality in the field of dakwah. Do we keep on digging his past when he was known as Cat Steven?

    I have read Salleh Said Keruak's comments on Tun M's latest blog posting. I believe Salleh Said Keruak has some valid points in countering Tun's arguments.

    Prof Kangkung

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    1. No wonder you are kangkung. So long the 1st para, the short 2nd para not say what valid points.

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    2. Kangkung, are you from Longkang university? How is umno politician Keruak similar to songwriter Yusuf Islam? Is a professor the same as an ustaz? Are your beliefs equal to the facts?

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    3. You are right, Prof.

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    4. You are wrong, 0016.

      Hehe this 4 words comment. Kamon la, Mister, if you want people to believe what you say, explain lorr.

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    5. For every right there's a left, for every up there's a down side .... What's the middle ground?

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    6. 813, don't stay in the middle, you get hemmed in by both sides, the situation if often tight.

      Anwar is not around, otherwise he'd prefer to be in the rear, he's sometimes called Rear Admiral, no offence to the Navy.

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  6. This said keduak is no match with Dr M. He makes himself act like a clown for his master. Unfortunately they don't realise that they have the talent of a clown rather than a leader. Good luck Malaysia!

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    1. Keruak got the Minister's post largely because he's loyal to Ajib and vocal against TDM.

      But, like hell, shouldn't he spend time getting the gomen information machinery geared to explaining Government policies and Ajib's doings, esplly those that Ajib been walloped for left right and centre?

      More of explaining, Keruak, less of trying to whack anybody, least of all, TDM. He was doing politics even at University - before you were born, Keruak. Writing to the papers under the pseudonym Chedet. No blogs at that time, otherwise he'd have written miles and miles of thoughts, criticisms and suggestions for the good of the country and the people.

      Now you concentrate on explaining, less of complaining, will ya?

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  7. To a good man Wan: truth is a rare commodity in a wildly ruled country ...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NVFbTOqBDj4

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    1. Najib is the wild one. Replace him like Tun said. UMNO/BN will go kapputz if not.

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  8. He and Rahman Dahlan too, are like boys with a knife going to a gunfight. What they portray are just WILLINGNESS to die for Ah Jib Gor but lack the mental intelligence and the media WISDOM to defend Ah Jib Gor's tarnished image!!!!

    alfie

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    1. Agree with you Alfie 👍

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    2. At least this Ministers have balls.

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  9. Jika kita ingin tahu tentang Najib tentulah Rosmah, tetapi tidaklah wajar kita mengheret first lady dalam hal yang berkaitan dengan first man.

    Selain Rosmah, yang lebih tahu tentang Najib ialah PM, Menteri Kewangan atau Penasihat 1MDB.

    Kalau tiba-tiba salled said keruak lebih tahu, tentulah ia umpama seluar dalam PM yang lebih kenal najib dari rosmah.

    Salleh said keruak juga dikenali dan diangkat kerana dia anak said keruak.
    Tidak ada jasa luar biasa cuma dapat Menteri atas dasar ampu dan bodek.

    Jasa sebesar itu sepatutnya bukan sekadar Menteri, selayaknya TPM.

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    1. Bagus Menteri Penerangan yang tak Bisu.

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  10. Dh jwb dh akak..rsanye tun bt2 x faham..

    Org muo

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    1. Amende nye yang dah jawab, org muo? Tak cakap sape beri RM2.6 bilion, utk apekebende nya, camna rakyat nak caye?

      Dahtu yang jawab kuncu kuncu die - sorang kata utk lawan Al Qaeda, sorang lagi kata utk lawan ISIS, ada plak yg kata utk lawan DAP mengarut apekenamenye.

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    2. Ye lah... katalah tun buat2 x faham... cuba org muo cerita pulak apa bende yang org muo paham..... hehehe.... maklum la... org yg betul2 paham je yg bleh cerita...kan...kan..... kehkehkeh..

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    3. Anon 18:49, kelompok Jib Gor itu perlu sangat lawan nafsu ammarah mereka sendiri:- tamak haloba dengki khianat

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    4. Dlu msa pak lah pn tun tuduh pak lah amik duit oil for food programme iraq..pstu tuduh psl payrick badawi..bla pak lah turun terus senyap cite tu..samalah mcm skrg MO tun tu kt Dato Najib..dia je la yg betul org lain sumenye x btl..agaknya bla mb kedah jdi pm bru la ok malaysia ni..

      Org muo

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    5. X yah la nk tulis apekebende..bca pn dh tau lu cina yg tulis..mcm2 la tektik cybertrooper dap ni..

      Org muo

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    6. Orang dah tua faham2 lah, Deria pun dah banyak hilang.

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    7. Apahal cina cina ni???? Jangan nak rasis lah. Yang membodohkan melayu bukan orang cina lah sial. Tapi bangsa kamu sendiri yg membuat kamu jadi bodoh dan tolol. Apabila dah jadi bodoh jangan nak salahkan bangsa lain diatas kebodohan dan kedangkalan kamu. Apakah yg pemimpin kamu lakukan dalam membela nasib kaum kamu? Kenapakah bangsa kamu sendiri berpecah belah? Wahai org melayu, ingatlah bahawa bangsa kamu tidak dipimpin oleh bangsa cina. Kamu dipimpin oleh bangsa kamu sendiri jadi jangan lah suka menyalahkan bangsa lain jika kamu menjadi bodoh dan tidak cerdik

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    8. 819,

      Kamu bunyi mcm Cina. Dulu SRJK dan SJKC ke? Sokong DAP tapi fedap dgn depa juga ke? Cabut lari ke Ostorlia, sekang home sick, masih nak mengomel di blog oang Malaysia ke? Guna perkataan sial tuh, ko pompuan ye? Ko ikut cara Annie le, dia pompuan tapi tak pernah sekali pun cakap sial.

      Kalo ko Cina, ngata bangsa Melayu "bodoh dan tolol", aku boleh tulis berjela jela ngata bangsa kamu yang dah 3,500 tahun sejarah tapi China di anggap dek negara barat sebagai pariah, naik ha nya 2-3 dekad yang lalu tapi dah mula nak buli Jepun di East China Sea dan negara negara kecil spt Malaysia dll di South China Sea. Dulu China di buli dek Monggol, Manchus, Bretes, German dll, di Perang Dunia II, China kena buli dek Jepun, ko tau tak?

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    9. Ko 819 bodoh ke tak tahu apa yg pemimpin Melayu dah buat dlm membela nasib kaum Melayu? Tak baca sejarah ke? Memang ko bekas penyokong DAP yang tak suka sejarah, tak reti berterima kasih dapat hak kerakyatan yg pemimpin Melayu setujukan utk korang di masa Merdeka?

      Ko tak tengok pemimpin Melayu berkeras dgn omputih Bretes kolonial hingga campakkan ke longkang konsep Malayan Union yg Bretes cadangkan sabelom Merdeka? Ko tak tengok diorang dapatkan Perlembagaan nyatakan Perkara Perkara yang di anggap sensitif dan di lindung dek Akta Hasutan? Termasuk Kedudukan Istmewa Melayu dan Bumiputera Sabah dan Sarawak.

      Ko tak nampak ke DEB yang pemimpin Melayu rancang dan laksanakan utk Melayu yg tak di peduli dek hamjadah Bretes, kasi ha nya sekolah primary 4 tahun di kampong kampong, tapi juga sekolah secondary dan Inggeris di bandar bandar di mana majoriti nya Cina. Dan Bretes beri bermacam tongkat utk berniaga kpd kaum Cina yang dah ada budaya berniaga masakan Melayu takda budaya begitu, dan bedebah Bretes langsung tak buat apa utk ekonomi Melayu hingga jadi corot ekonomi nya di negara sendiri.

      Ko tak tau Melayu di masa Tun Madey dah dapat 24% kekayaan korporat. Di sebat dek Asian Financial Crisis dll, tak tau berapa % tinggal sekarang zaman Ajib yang ketepikan DEB nak ambik hati pengundi Cina tapi dapat tsunami Cina.

      Hah, dah berjela pun aku tulis walau pun ada bertan lagi yang aku boleh keluorkan. Nanti masa lapang aku akan hentam kamu lagi ngata Melayu pecah belah dll. Mcm le Cina dll tak pecah belah, bodoh nya kamu.

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    10. Mmg bodo cybertrooper dap ni..dh la tu mulut jahat..ckp sial la..puaka la..mmg xde adap btl..

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    11. Tuduh org rasis la plk tu..dia yg rasis ngata org melayu mcm2..

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    12. Org cina tak curi melayu punya harta. Org cina kerja kuat. Sekarang melayu cakap cina pergi balik tongsan, cina babi. Itu rasis lah. Sekarang kita merdeka sudah lama. Negara ini diurus oleh org melayu umno. Sampai sekarang melayu kena tinggal belakang. Sekarang pergi check siapa owner tanah kat bandar? Cina or melayu? Orng orang cina tak suka gaduh, org cina mau meniaga saja. Sekarang bukan cina balik tongsan tapi melayu pergi masuk hutan. Sana tanah free ok. Tak ada duit boleh masuk hutan

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    13. Lu sorang je yg ckp melayu mcm2..lu rasis la..

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  11. 1MDB refuted Tun's claim that it transferred funds to Najib's private accounts by pointing out MACC stating that the funds were from a private donor and not from 1MDB.

    They forgot to mention the "hidden hands" causing immediate transfers of MACC senior officers, early retirement etc that made the rakyat wonder the validity of the 1MDB statement.

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    1. These gomen officers lebih sudu dari kuah.

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  12. Umno has not nurtured too many thoughtful personalities. They don't nurture any. Just use the loyal ones. Keep them loyal on the Cash is King principle.

    Rosak. Banyak rosak.

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  13. Rocky asking, What happen to my beloved statesman?
    He should ask. Whats happening to our country?

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    1. You still read rocky? He's lost it

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    2. Pls comment at rocky la...apa la..kang ckp bodoh marah la plk

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    3. Rocky oleady go riding with the wind la. No need to jaga blog sudah kenyang maa. Ppl frust cannot hantam at Bru come here and hantam la. Rocky is Annie's big bro what. But not his babe la.

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  14. I know a lot of people has great respect for TDM. This is the curse that make the to stop thinking. You don't need to be an economist, or political scientist or rocket scientist to see how ridiculous TDM can be.

    You can see how ridiculous TDM can be. In his blog post, he raised about Altantuya case. This is one of the most stupid statement by TDM. In his article, he opened by saying he worked hard to make Najib the PM. Well, Altantuya case broke out when Najib was still a DPM. Is he saying that he put Najib as PM despite knowing that Altantuya case was flashing all around, and today, he believe Najib has something to do with the case and for that he should be brought down? Why in the first place he worked hard to put Najib in office then? Why he had no problem with Altantuya case when trying to put Najib as PM and now he has problem with it?

    This simply shows that this guy has no moral ground and make us to be suspicious of his utter motives. Is it truly for the people or his personal grudge to Najib because Najib refused to kow tow to his demands. If Altantuya case wasn't a problem to him in the past and suddenly became a problem, what make us to believe that the 1MDB is a problem now and will not be a problem anymore if Najib is removed? Is he really concern about the country well being or he is more interested in his own personal interest? If it is for the people, then why work hard to put someone whom you believe to have a murder case in hand as PM. Was it because at that time, you believe he can carry your own interest?

    Also, do read Sorry, Nothing Personal

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    1. nothing is wrong with TDM....it is just you that is full of shit...do you eat shit?

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    2. When they can only bullshit, means they don't have any shit. Why don't you refute what is written then wasting the blog space with pointless comment.

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    3. Here is a "pointful" comment:

      1. "You don't need to be an economist, or political scientist or rocket scientist to see" that TDM has a basis for saying what he did.

      2. You saying that he raised the Altantuya case is "one of the most stupid statement by TDM" makes you stupid. Because you did not provide arguments denying Najib has any links with that case.

      3. Saying TDM put Najib as PM "despite knowing that Altantuya case was flashing all around" is not relevant because the case was still not resolved at the courts then.

      4. TDM "has no moral ground" to raise the Altantuya case after the latest court decision on the two bodyguards and the statements by Sirul in Australia? You think Najib should just keep quiet having said he was not involved and did not know Altantuya? The public can just accept those? Like the public has to accept him saying "I haven never taken money for personal gain" and nothing else on the RM2..6 billion in his personal bank accounts?

      5. "his personal grudge to Najib because Najib refused to kow tow to his demands"? And you not saying what they are?

      6. "what make us to believe that the 1MDB is a problem now and will not be a problem anymore if Najib is removed?" Now this is among the most stupid things that can be said. Najib started 1MDB, remove Najib and if the problems continue, the people are to be blamed?

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    4. Ever thought of converting to grandmonkey?

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    5. Oooooooo you trying to advertise your blog Nothing Personal, eh? Sorry, no take. I also no see comments in there.

      We like to comment in Annie's blog because she expresses views that are fair, responsible and reasonable.

      Plus, of course, she is endearing albeit sometimes teasing and tantalizing.

      Impressive words? Sure lorr. Some people try to impress with power, money, ikan bakar, Ambassador's highly undiplomatic words in Petaling Street and naval boats in Malaysia's EEZ waters. Me try to impress with thoughts only maaaaaa.

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    6. Mr grandmarquis,

      If you have received some payment from the you know who, please share a bit with me so I can help you defend Najib.

      Regards,

      Smallmarquis

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    7. Tun nye motif simple je..mcm msa Pak lah jga la..burukkn n tuduh mcm2 so org dia bole ganti..dh byk kli dia bt pn..org2 dap ni lgi hipokrit..dlu msa tun ngata dia mcm2..mkn rasuah la..ank2 dia kaya la..zalim la..bla tun hentam najib..tetiba lak sokon..mmg bangang le..

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    8. 3. "Saying TDM put Najib as PM "despite knowing that Altantuya case was flashing all around" is not relevant because the case was still not resolved at the courts then."

      So, putting someone as PM while he potentially has a murder case is OK. But it is not OK to keep someone as PM despite the court has long closed the Altantuya case and free him from any involvement. Is this your sound logic? Then I rest my case.

      4. And then playing with perception. Well, no matter what you say, the public is going to believe according to what they want to believe. So you will change the PM because of the perception by opposition and also your beloved TDM? Then we will forever changing PM. What about the perception of the Anwar loyalist that TDM has created the sodomy conspiracy to put Anwar away because he is too scared of Anwar in exposing all his corruptions? Oppsss.. like you said the public can just accept those? Like the public has to accept him saying "I do not conspire to put him in jail". Common man. You got to do better than that.

      5. Well there are many. But it is just public perception. But following your advise, the public can just accept that he does not have personal grudge against Najib?

      6. History has proven what he did. What happen to all the allegations against Pak Lah and Khairy? In fact Khairy even became a minister right now. Those who do not learn from history will be bound to make the same mistake.

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    9. Agree with the majority of yr comments Sdr grandmarquis
      but really can't rule on his moral ground or apparent lack of morals.

      Our beloved YAB Tun Dr M does appear hypocritical in criticising UMNO-practices many of which he introduced
      tapi baik sangka beliau pun Mudah lupa kut(?)


      Haji M Zin
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  15. The truth is that UMNO will most likely lose the next GE is Najib stays as leader. I believe Najib also knew that. His immediate concern is how to get away from the current predicament unscathed.

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    1. Some people have suggested that he might want to "berundur" if offered a package that includes no prosecution guarantee to any case that might be found criminal in nature.

      Am interested to hear others' views on this. Anyone?

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    2. Still no response. Wonder why. Could be people not keen to let him go without prosecution if evidence found against him for any criminal act?

      Hopefully there are responses later in the evening after my outstation drive.

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  16. Grandmarquist...Tun Dr Mahathir hanya melihat wajah sebenar Najib sebagai PM selepas BRIM dan 1NDB dilaksanakan...
    Kita juga melihat Muhyiddin atau Zahid seperti wajah sekarang...boleh ke kita tahu mereka ini macamana pula wajahnya selepas jika diberi peluang jadi PM (?)

    Kes Altantuya semasa Anwar mengganas dan Najib TPM.... Anwar serang habis-habisan Najib dengan isu altantuya ketika Paklah menolak pelawaan Anwar untuk.berjumpanya.
    Dan apa yang Tun M kembali bersuara ialah selepas pengakuan Sirul di Australia dan diulang semula oleh aljazeera.
    Persaolannya kenapa kerajaan tidak proaktif

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  17. Kembali bersuara selepas fulus dah kurang. Hamsen pun dah lupus.

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  18. Hi Annie,
    As Malaysia Chinese, what I can see from Salleh Keruak is he's an apple polisher and that is how, he can go so high up the political ladder. In Anwar days, he polish Anwar when he smell Anwar has got chance to grab power, and now he smell Najib has more power, thus he polish Najib and get promoted. This is facts of life, to get where you are going, you need to polish. He do bring some good point, but it is intellectually as said by your Dal Cha source, this guy is consider a lightweight. He don't have facts at hand, and he doesn't know what is Najib doing with the 2.6 Billion, and he don't know who the person donate this money...and base on as little as what Najib give him....he bark here and there bringing irrelevant arguments to cloud the issue. This is like saying, Najib saying at the darkside of the moon has an alien living there...and Salleh Keruak on cue will start arguing how it is possible, independence day prove it, aliens have round heads and Area51 is America research facility...on and on....we love his tall tales though and imagination...but still he don't have answer....who, why and where this 2.6 Billions come from....

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  19. DSP Salleh Keruak and Dato Dr Asyraf Wajdi are astute appointments vs more more passive UMNO Ministers while the PM and Islamic institutions are increasingly being attacked from all angles, and really not clear from who.

    Both are active bloggers and the Dr active in welfare NGOs,
    and so far both are making sense. Keep it up and hopefully more like both of you are in-sya-Allah appointed.

    Agreed not too hard on Tun Dr M(!), adinda Ms Annie
    and to focus on the issues, but also suggesting that DS Mohd Najib huhu cannot that easily be absolved.


    Haji M Zin
    Alor Gajah DPH

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